Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[mmascari]

Every vaccinated person is a potential selection filter that can spin off a variant.

This is technically true.

It does require that not only does the vaccine fail enough, but that they then have enough virus replication and go on to infect someone else (could be an unvaccinated person for the next step, doesn't matter). So, it's not a slam dunk going to happen, but it is a risk.

The only way to eliminate this risk is to minimize the virus and vaccinated person interactions. Keep the count low enough that it's unlikely.

There's not many ways to do that.

1. We could not vaccinate anyone. No vaccine breakthrough variants then. No protection either.
2. We could vaccinate enough people to drive community spread super low. This way there are relatively few virus vs vaccinated interactions.
3. We could segregate the vaccinated from the unvaccinated. The vaccinated group will have low community spread. The vast majority of virus vs vaccinated interactions involve the other person being unvaccinated.

Ideally the faster we get to the second option, the better.

Unfortunately, we seem to be headed for the third option slowly.


As a vaccinated person, this is party of why I care about how many unvaccinated people there are. I would like to get to option 2 as fast as possible to minimize this risk. I'm not worried it's going to happen all at one time. Just slowly, one mutation that's more vaccine resistant and replicates faster than Delta at a time. Might just be a mutation that replicates fast enough that does it.

 

[Communicora]

Every vaccinated person is a potential selection filter that can spin off a variant.

The unvaccinated are the overwhelming source of variants such as Delta, which is the one we are fighting off right now.

 

[DCBaker]

"Florida on Wednesday reported to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention 13,774 more COVID-19 cases, according to Miami Herald calculations of CDC data.

In all, Florida has recorded at least 3,378,772 confirmed COVID cases and 46,977 deaths.

In the last seven days, on average, the state has added 344 deaths and 15,610 cases to the cumulative total each day, according to Herald calculations of CDC data."

"There were 13,452 people hospitalized for COVID-19 in Florida on Tuesday, according to data reported to the U.S. Department of Health & Human Services from 235 Florida hospitals. That is 176 fewer patients than Monday’s COVID patient population from six more hospitals reporting.

COVID-19 patients take up 24.34% of all inpatient beds in the latest report’s hospitals, compared to 25.42% in the previous day’s reporting hospitals.

Of the people hospitalized in Florida, 3,049 people were in intensive care unit beds, a decrease of 42. That represents 46.2% of the state’s ICU hospital beds from 229 hospitals reporting data, compared to 47.38% the previous day."

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article254077893.html

 

[MisterPenguin]

Am I the first to bring up that some hospitals (In the US at least) have been stating that a patient isn't fully vaccinated until 14 days after the second shot? No big deal, right?

Well if a patient comes in less than 14 days after the second dose with COVID symptoms (which the vax actually gave them), they're added to the number of hospitalized COVID patients.

Stop spreading the lies of the anti-vaxxer movment. And certainly stop posting a smug clown emoji like you just caught the pro-vaccination crowd in a gotcha moment as you spout your unbelievably ignorant nonsense.

The vaccine doesn't give people COVID. It doesn't replicate and destroys cells and lungs and livers and organs like that actual coronavirus does.

The vaccine only produces a certain number of proteins to trick your body into thinking those proteins are harmful (they're not). But your body mounts a defense against them and 'remembers' their shape. It's the same shape that's on the Coronavirus so that if you become infected with that virus (which can indeed hospitalize or kill you), your body will know how to defeat it immediately.

Thus, the side effects from the vaccine are not from COVID, but from the body's natural ramping up of its natural defenses. It is that reaction that makes you sore and chilly and tired (just like it does when fighting off a common cold).

People almost never get hospitalized from a COVID vaccine. The symptoms are almost never severe enough. People who show up at an emergency room with cold-like symptoms are sent home.

So, no, vaccination recipients are most certainly NOT filling up hospitals due to vaccine reaction symptoms and artificially inflating hospitalization numbers.

Wherever you got that from, don't ever listen to them again. They are liars.

 

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[Heelz2315]

it fell 2.92% in a week or so. What is it we have to get to remove the indoor masks? 5%? for what two weeks? Just trying to see if they may be gone soon. I hope so....but not sure if the levels will get that low

 

[GoofGoof]

it fell 2.92% in a week or so. What is it we have to get to remove the indoor masks? 5%? for what two weeks? Just trying to see if they may be gone soon. I hope so....but not sure if the levels will get that low

That was the old metric. No clue what they want this time around. I also don’t know if Disney is following the OC metrics anyway since they aren’t enforceable anymore.

 

[Parker in NYC]

Stat buried in the thread….30% of covid deaths in FL have occurred since April 1. Almost all those deaths were 100% preventable if people just took the damn vaccine. Really crazy and tragic

Is it crazy and tragic, though? It’s stupid. Plain and simple. Anyone in the media or social media or local gathering places of any kind who helped contribute to this environment - at any time since the start of this thing - are just as stupid. The year the morons really made themselves known (and celebrated their stupidity!).

 

[Lilofan]

Is it crazy and tragic, though? It’s stupid. Plain and simple. Anyone in the media or social media or local gathering places of any kind who helped contribute to this environment - at any time since the start of this thing - are just as stupid. The year the morons really made themselves known (and celebrated their stupidity!).

It has been a crazy year if you are also an investor in pharma stocks. There is a term " science by press release ". This usually gets a warm and optimistic welcome by many ( ie Wall Street ) and at times a run up in the share prices of these stocks ( ie Moderna , current share price per share $422 as opposed to 2020 share price per share at around $20. ) where a few investors become overnight millionaires and billionaires.

 

[Parker in NYC]

It has been a crazy year if you are also an investor in pharma stocks. There is a term " science by press release ". This usually gets a warm and optimistic welcome by many ( ie Wall Street ) and at times a run up in the share prices of these stocks ( ie Moderna , current price $422 as opposed to 2020 share price per share at around $20. ) where a few investors become overnight millionaires and billionaires.

What does that have to do with politicians and talking heads and social media experts being idiots about COVID?

 

[Lilofan]

What does that have to do with politicians and talking heads and social media experts being idiots about COVID?

These guys are no angels. They may be perceived as what you say, but some of their close friends and families know where to invest their money in.

 

[Parker in NYC]

These guys are no angels. They may be perceived as what you say, but some know where to invest their money in.

I don’t blame them for using the system constructs already in place. Whatevs.

 

[DisneyCane]

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There can be issues with the daily case numbers due to weekends/holidays, delays from test to result and just not enough testing. The hospitalization data gives a really good picture of the current outbreak since it is reported in real time. The hospitalizations will always be some pretty constant ratio of cases. The ratio will depend on vaccination rates by age but that isn't changing drastically over the course of a month. There's still a way to go but it is definitely trending in the right direction.

 

[LittleBuford]

Every vaccinated person is a potential selection filter that can spin off a variant.

Does this mean you think vaccination isn’t worthwhile? I’m struggling to understand what you’re getting at with your post.

 

[Heelz2315]

That was the old metric. No clue what they want this time around. I also don’t know if Disney is following the OC metrics anyway since they aren’t enforceable anymore.

Well then at what point does Disney drop the indoor masks? Unless they’re put in place for good this time

 

[disneygeek90]

Well then at what point does Disney drop the indoor masks? Unless they’re put in place for good this time

Not for good. But not too early like last time. The masks indoors is really not a big deal.

 

[Heelz2315]

Not for good. But not too early like last time. The masks indoors is really not a big deal.

it is for me. I don’t want to wear one at all. I go to forget about the ills of the world not to have a constant reminder of them strapped to my face 1/2 the time.

I hope they’re dropped by next spring/summer

 

[disneygeek90]

it is for me. I don’t want to wear one at all. I go to forget about the ills of the world not to have a constant reminder of them strapped to my face 1/2 the time.

I hope they’re dropped by next spring/summer

It's not even close to half the time but alright. It's very, very much better than a year ago when it was 100% of the time.

 

[dreday3]

Well then at what point does Disney drop the indoor masks? Unless they’re put in place for good this time

I imagine if they could swing dropping indoor masks by October 1, they would switch to recommended only.

We will be there in October and I still plan to be wearing them, but will be a pleasant surprise if we don't have to!

 

[DisneyFan32]

I imagine if they could swing dropping indoor masks by October 1, they would switch to recommended only.

We will be there in October and I still plan to be wearing them, but will be a pleasant surprise if we don't have to!

Hopefully there won't be new strains anymore by next spring/summer as the pandemic will be finally over next year.