Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

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DisneyCane

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As a matter of public health policy (and not politics) it does stagger the imagination. Had more time been spent this summer on vaccine drives, public awareness and encouragement of common-sense mitigation measures (instead using that time mocking mask wearing, belittling the scientific community, stressing the health care system to its limits, using schoolchildren as pawns, and cooking up ways to punish school systems and businesses for attempting to actually prevent infections from spreading) a lot of pain, suffering and uncertainty could have been avoided.
There was a big push for vaccinations but the second that the under 55 population was eligible, demand dropped off a cliff. That was even true in counties (like Orange) where there was a huge push coming from local government.
 

Lilofan

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There was a big push for vaccinations but the second that the under 55 population was eligible, demand dropped off a cliff. That was even true in counties (like Orange) where there was a huge push coming from local government.
Demand did drop off when age groups became eligible but it didn't stop some foreign wealthy taking vaccine leisure vacations ( aka vaccine tourism ) flying to FL to get the shot and have some fun in the sun, supporting the number one industry in FL.
 

Virtual Toad

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I apologize if stating what leaders have done and haven’t done in this situation is seen as political commentary as that was not my intent. I was merely commenting on how time and energy here in FL could have been spent encouraging vaccinations this summer— and how— from a public health policy perspective, not a political one — that time could have been better spent. Apologies again to anyone who may have felt that was political.
 

Parker in NYC

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Did you know that 998 in1000 people of Florida who get covid survive?

Edited to correct mathematical misstatement.

But I'd bet of the 2 people 0f 1000 who did die with/from covid, that 1.9 of themwere most likely over 75 years old, extremely obese, had preexisting conditions or all three.
And this is why it continues. Unbelievable. Continue to minimize and spread misinformation. “You bet” is as useless as “you know, some very fine people, good people, have been telling me that…”
 

LovePop

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I just cancelled my Disney trip - again! The hospitalization rate is creeping me out. I have to fly 2000 miles, so if we catch Delta (son is only 5) and get sick, we can't get home easily and must stay in Florida, and their hospitals are so packed right now, they are running out of oxygen! It's a first time I planned to visit Universal, and I was rather excited about it.

This gives me an idea, however. Normally, I go to Disney at a time that is good for us - better weather, cheaper price, fewer hurricanes. From now on, for as long as covid lasts, I will plan the trip when the covid numbers plummet like it did early summer. Then the chances of catching covid is much less, and if one of us end up getting sick, the hospitals have room and oxygen at least.
 

Parker in NYC

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I just cancelled my Disney trip - again! The hospitalization rate is creeping me out. I have to fly 2000 miles, so if we catch Delta (son is only 5) and get sick, we can't get home easily and must stay in Florida, and their hospitals are so packed right now, they are running out of oxygen! It's a first time I planned to visit Universal, and I was rather excited about it.

This gives me an idea, however. Normally, I go to Disney at a time that is good for us - better weather, cheaper price, fewer hurricanes. From now on, for as long as covid lasts, I will plan the trip when the covid numbers plummet like it did early summer. Then the chances of catching covid is much less, and if one of us end up getting sick, the hospitals have room and oxygen at least.
Covid doesn’t abide by a schedule.
 

maui2k7

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I just cancelled my Disney trip - again! The hospitalization rate is creeping me out. I have to fly 2000 miles, so if we catch Delta (son is only 5) and get sick, we can't get home easily and must stay in Florida, and their hospitals are so packed right now, they are running out of oxygen! It's a first time I planned to visit Universal, and I was rather excited about it.

This gives me an idea, however. Normally, I go to Disney at a time that is good for us - better weather, cheaper price, fewer hurricanes. From now on, for as long as covid lasts, I will plan the trip when the covid numbers plummet like it did early summer. Then the chances of catching covid is much less, and if one of us end up getting sick, the hospitals have room and oxygen at least.
With crowds as low as they are right now in Universal and WDW, the risk has reduced since July/Aug simply by the fact that there are far fewer people in the parks right now.
 

matt9112

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When not looking at it as a %, it is very shocking. Did you know that 1 in 500 of residents of Florida have died as a result of Covid?

Thats still tiny a 5th of a percent? If only we had this level of enthusiasm over preventing covid deaths with every aspect of society. Its still sad but to frame it as some bloodbath is also just not correct.
 

matt9112

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We were lucky to both be working from home at the request of our employers during the time our kids were virtual and our kids are both a bit older and were pretty tech savvy to begin with. Both schools also gave the kids extra time, which was great until Friday night when they were scrambling to finish assignments before the midnight deadline .😀 A lot of families definitely struggled with it though. I don’t think mandatory online learning is a sustainable option, but at least keeping it as an option would be helpful.

I think a big part of it is the whole work from home thing....what about the millions of single parents? Who cant.

Edit- i noticed a duality. The opinion on lock downs etc appears to be directly tied to if your income is effected in any way.

For comparison my employer the same one that isn't mandating vaccines legitimately hired somebody to watch my child and do the school work with them etc since my job is in the field it cannot be remote.
 
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Parker in NYC

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Thats still tiny a 5th of a percent? If only we had this level of enthusiasm over preventing covid deaths with every aspect of society. Its still sad but to frame it as some bloodbath is also just not correct.
Third leading cause of death right now in this country. Hospitals do not have capacity. I’d say that’s pretty serious.
 
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Virtual Toad

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Company my spouse works for just pulled a huge conference out of Orlando scheduled for this fall. Will have to do it virtually instead after most guest speakers turned down invitations to speak in person due to the ongoing COVID situation in FL.

Company will take a bath economically as hotels and convention space were reserved years in advance and no refunds are coming. Cancelled conference will also negatively impact the Central FL economy. Company is currently discussing pulling future conferences out of FL as well because attendees no longer see it as a safe and viable destination.
 

Heppenheimer

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Thats still tiny a 5th of a percent? If only we had this level of enthusiasm over preventing covid deaths with every aspect of society. Its still sad but to frame it as some bloodbath is also just not correct.
We do this in medical profession every day, all day, although the things we always tell people to do- stop smoking, eat less, drink less, don't do drugs, exercise more, get your recommended screening tests- are a little harder to bring about. And we can't stop people from aging.

We can mostly prevent COVID with two very simple measures- vaccines and masking.
 

Ayla

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To be fair, the antibody infusion is a valid tool in fighting the disease. It's just rather resource-intensive, has somewhat limited benefit and not a substitute for the tried-and-true primary prevention tools like quarantines, contract-tracing, masking, social distancing, and vaccines. I just find it odd that the governor has put so much emphasis on this treatment and either ignored or didn't stress the importance of the other things.
$$$$$$$$ that's why.
 

GoofGoof

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Thats still tiny a 5th of a percent? If only we had this level of enthusiasm over preventing covid deaths with every aspect of society. Its still sad but to frame it as some bloodbath is also just not correct.
How many other aspects of society (I assume you mean causes of death?) have a simple and free vaccine which guarantees almost 100% chance of not dying? If there was a vaccine that 100% prevented suicide or cancer or heart disease or car accidents or gun violence I think there would be just as much outrage over people not taking it. Those things can be mitigated in some cases but it’s certainly not as easy and cost effective as this simple jab.
 

matt9112

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How many other aspects of society (I assume you mean causes of death?) have a simple and free vaccine which guarantees almost 100% chance of not dying? If there was a vaccine that 100% prevented suicide or cancer or heart disease or car accidents or gun violence I think there would be just as much outrage over people not taking it. Those things can be mitigated in some cases but it’s certainly not as easy and cost effective as this simple jab.

The vaccines didn't exsist overnight....im talking about the entire amount of resources and effort. I bet it would do wonders for cancer research etc. Simply pointing out that people are all so enthralled in solving this and i have yet to see the same level of enthrallment to cure cancer is all.
An observation.
 

GimpYancIent

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Thats still tiny a 5th of a percent? If only we had this level of enthusiasm over preventing covid deaths with every aspect of society. Its still sad but to frame it as some bloodbath is also just not correct.
The spread and infection numbers have been so astronomic, gargantuan, so staggering not just nationally but internationally it is difficult for folk's to come to terms with them. The vast majority of people infected will recover (resolve), some better than others, some will not even know they contracted COVID19 while others will suffer terribly. Then there is that small sliver of the percentiles that succumb to the illness. The kicker is that the numbers of people infected are so large that the small tragic sliver actually is Huge, Vast and mind numbing, over whelming. COVID19 is not a death warrant, it is a serious disease that has the potential to cause serious harm and possible death but most likely will be survived if infected. Dependent on the health of the host also there are preventive measures that can be taken. This is truly something so large it is literally incomprehensible.
 

DCBaker

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In the latest DCL update today, it looks like Disney will expand the 12+ vaccination requirement for all sailings -

"For all sailings, Guests 12 years of age and older must be fully vaccinated and take a COVID-19 test upon embarkation. Guests 11 years old and under are not required to be vaccinated but must take a pre-trip rapid PCR test or lab-based PCR test for COVID-19, as well as a rapid COVID-19 test upon embarkation. Learn more below."

 

dreday3

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In the latest DCL update today, it looks like Disney will expand the 12+ vaccination requirement for all sailings -

"For all sailings, Guests 12 years of age and older must be fully vaccinated and take a COVID-19 test upon embarkation. Guests 11 years old and under are not required to be vaccinated but must take a pre-trip rapid PCR test or lab-based PCR test for COVID-19, as well as a rapid COVID-19 test upon embarkation. Learn more below."


In a nutshell :D, if these sailings leave out of Florida, why can't Disney do the same for the parks?
 
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