Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

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The Mrs

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I could probably use a teledoc service right now to get a Z-Pak prescription if I wanted one.
No doubt. However the poster I quoted said that it appeared no professional was consulted. My mention of the antibiotic was to say that indeed a professional may have in fact been consulted. I think the folks manning the Teledoc service would consider themselves health professionals.
 

mf1972

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Just wanted to give a shout out to @Parker in NYC and everyone else in NJ, NY, Connecticut and elsewhere that is being pummeled by Ida right now. With everything else, it slipped my notice how dangerous the conditions this storm continues to be. Stay safe!
NJ here. thanks for the shout out. was just driving home from work. had to take a few detours. few traffic lights were out & no one was stopping for anyone.
i can only imagine what new orleans & other areas hit by ida went & still going through. hope they can all make a quicker than expected recovery.
 

Polkadotdress

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That surprises me very much. Thanks for the information. I was under the impression they were administered in a hospital setting and somewhat hard to come by.
There are 21 counties in FL that now offer a free, no-questions-asked, monoclonal antibody treatment site.

 

DisneyDebRob

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Children missing two years in a row is probably reaaaal good for there education. This is likely why even in liberal states there is alot of reluctance to go much further. Schools dont have the soace to distance plus enroll the same amoint of children. Some children would have to go online or do a hybrid. But this is fundamentally detrimental to there education. (At least the quality of it)
It’s not whether they should be in schools and is that better for the children. No matter what side your on I think most would agree in school learning is best. It’s how do we do it and be as safe as possible.
Last year it was..” they need to be in school,.. home learning is not working.. bad for the children..etc”. So most this year said let’s try it, we have vaccines, not for the under 12 but for a Ulta and it should help BUT with the new variant, let’s do it with masks. Now it’s..” you can’t tell me how to raise my child and what’s good for them.. we don’t want them to wear masks”.
we all have to give and take. Experts agree that kids should be back in school for the most part. They mostly agree that masks should also be worn. It’s a happy medium to get them back in school and keep them safer. Science works and we should follow it.
 

matt9112

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It’s not whether they should be in schools and is that better for the children. No matter what side your on I think most would agree in school learning is best. It’s how do we do it and be as safe as possible.
Last year it was..” they need to be in school,.. home learning is not working.. bad for the children..etc”. So most this year said let’s try it, we have vaccines, not for the under 12 but for a Ulta and it should help BUT with the new variant, let’s do it with masks. Now it’s..” you can’t tell me how to raise my child and what’s good for them.. we don’t want them to wear masks”.
we all have to give and take. Experts agree that kids should be back in school for the most part. They mostly agree that masks should also be worn. It’s a happy medium to get them back in school and keep them safer. Science works and we should follow it.

There is a point of deminishing returns as well though. Like with anything. Im not against masks i just dont see much else a school can do outside of cleaning alot and air purification etc.
 

DisneyCane

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Another reason to get vaccinated even if there are breakthrough cases...


Breakthough infections are less likely to lead to long Covid, a study suggests.



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A clinic providing vaccinations for around 1,000 people per day was set up inside the Salisbury Cathedral in England in January.Credit...Andrew Testa for The New York Times
People who experience breakthrough infections of the coronavirus after being fully vaccinated are about 50 percent less likely to experience long Covid than are unvaccinated people who catch the virus, researchers said in a large new report on British adults.

The study, which was published in the journal Lancet Infectious Diseases on Wednesday, also provides more evidence that the two-shot Pfizer-BioNTech, Moderna and AstraZeneca vaccines offer powerful protection against symptomatic and severe disease.

“This is really, I think, the first study showing that long Covid is reduced by double vaccination, and it’s reduced significantly,” said Dr. Claire Steves, a geriatrician at King’s College London and the study’s lead author.

Although many people with Covid recover within a few weeks, some experience long-term symptoms, which can be debilitating. This constellation of lingering aftereffects that have become known as long Covid may include fatigue, shortness of breath, brain fog, heart palpitations and other symptoms. But much about the condition remains mysterious.

“We don’t have a treatment yet for long Covid,” Dr. Steves said. Getting vaccinated, she said, “is a prevention strategy that everybody can engage in.”

The findings add to a growing pile of research on so-called breakthrough infections among vaccinated people. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has confirmed that the highly contagious Delta variant is causing more of these breakthroughs than other versions of the virus, although infections in fully vaccinated people still tend to be mild.

The new findings are based on data from more than 1.2 million adults in the Covid Symptom Study, in which volunteers use a mobile app to log their symptoms, test results and vaccination records. The participants include those who received at least one dose of the Pfizer, Moderna or AstraZeneca vaccines between Dec. 8 and July 4, as well as a control group of unvaccinated people.

Of the nearly 1 million people who were fully vaccinated, 0.2 percent reported a breakthrough infection, the researchers found. Those who did get breakthrough infections were roughly twice as likely to be asymptomatic as were those who were infected and unvaccinated. The odds of being hospitalized were 73 percent lower in the breakthrough group than the infected, unvaccinated group.

The odds of having long-term symptoms — lasting at least four weeks after infection — were also 49 percent lower in the breakthrough group.

“Of course, vaccines also massively reduce your risk of getting infected in the first place,” Dr. Steves said. That lowered risk means that vaccination should reduce the odds of long Covid by even more, she noted.

The study has limitations, the researchers acknowledge, the most notable of which is that the data is all self-reported. Long Covid is also difficult to study, with wide-ranging symptoms that may vary enormously in severity.

But Dr. Steves said that she hoped the findings might encourage more young people, whose vaccination rates have lagged behind, to get the shots. Young adults are less likely to become seriously ill from the virus than older adults, but they are still at risk for long Covid, she noted.

“Being out of action for six months has a major impact on people’s lives,” she said. “So, if we can show that their personal risk of long Covid is reduced by getting their vaccinations, that may be something that may help them make a decision to go ahead and get a vaccine.”
That is good news. Evidence continues to build that the vaccines (a.k.a. pre-exposure prophylactics) are very effective at reducing the likelihood of severe illness or other long term complications. At least with the Delta variant they don't seem all that great at preventing infections or preventing symptoms completely. As of this week, I know as many family, friends or acquaintances who have had mildly symptomatic breakthrough infections than I knew who had COVID before the vaccines were available.

It appears that vaccines will keep the vast majority of people out of the hospital but it doesn't appear that vaccines can prevent enough infections to get to herd immunity and "end COVID." It's still great that, for 90% of people, they will make the worst case of COVID like a bad cold and that's why if you are able to, you should get vaccinated.
 

Virtual Toad

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Children missing two years in a row is probably reaaaal good for there education. This is likely why even in liberal states there is alot of reluctance to go much further. Schools dont have the soace to distance plus enroll the same amoint of children. Some children would have to go online or do a hybrid. But this is fundamentally detrimental to there education. (At least the quality of it)
Virtual learning is not for everyone. Our children did just fine. Many of their friends struggled. But it should still be a component this year— used as an option when needed — and it definitely needs to be on the menu for the thousands of kids who are already missing weeks of school due to quarantine. Not having it for use in this situation is putting those kids behind and in some cases delaying the entire curriculum even for those not quarantined.

Universal masks, social distancing and vaccinations for those old enough are also important components in this. More of those three would reduce cases and quarantines and keep kids in the classroom which is ultimately what everyone wants.
 

Polkadotdress

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You conveniently ignore the 99% chance of survival when you continue to tell people they would be dead without the vaccine.

If the entire population of the planet was over 75 years old and/or extremely obese, your statements would actually have some truth. You should stop spreading misinformation.
When not looking at it as a %, it is very shocking. Did you know that 1 in 500 of residents of Florida have died as a result of Covid?
 

DisneyCane

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Share with everyone you can. A difficult read emotionally, but maybe it will open some folks’ eyes to what our health care workers— and the families of COVID cases with bad outcomes— are going though:

The two takeaways from the article are "The saddest part, Jen says, is this didn’t have to happen. Most of her patients, and the ones suffering the most, haven’t been vaccinated" and the question of why you would put an N95 respirator OVER a surgical mask. The N95 needs to tightly seal to the skin in order to work most effectively. If you are going to double mask, shouldn't it be the other way with the surgical mask used to pull the N95 tighter?
 

wdisney9000

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When not looking at it as a %, it is very shocking. Did you know that 1 in 500 of residents of Florida have died as a result of Covid?
Did you know that 998 in1000 people of Florida who get covid survive?

Edited to correct mathematical misstatement.

But I'd bet of the 2 people 0f 1000 who did die with/from covid, that 1.9 of themwere most likely over 75 years old, extremely obese, had preexisting conditions or all three.
 
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DisneyCane

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When not looking at it as a %, it is very shocking. Did you know that 1 in 500 of residents of Florida have died as a result of Covid?
Putting it that way makes it look more shocking. If you look at under 65 years old it drops to 1 in 2000. If you go under 40 it is 1 in 12,500.

You have to look by age range when considering appropriate measures. A disease that killed 1 in 500 residents regardless of age should be treated differently than one, like COVID, which is very disproportionally skewed towards impact on the elderly.

The people under 40 should all get vaccinated so that it can be 1 in 100,000 or lower in that age range that die due to COVID.
 

Lilofan

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You conveniently ignore the 99% chance of survival when you continue to tell people they would be dead without the vaccine.

If the entire population of the planet was over 75 years old and/or extremely obese, your statements would actually have some truth. You should stop spreading misinformation
Tell that to the ones who were anti vaxxers on their deathbed in the hospital saying
" I wish I would have gotten the vaccine ".
Misinformation - Not.
 
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