Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[Heppenheimer]

Over 90 degrees in NJ. Season, lol. That should wait until after labor day at the earliest. What's next, Halloween decorations at WDW in August? Oops.

It's the Easter Beagle, Charlie Brown had the most cynical take on this that I've ever seen. The kids went to a department store to buy Easter decorations, only to find that the they were already in full Christmas mode.

EDIT: And as a kid, I was never too fond of those "Back to School Sales" that would begin the week after Independence Day.

 

[Andrew C]

Our district is so woefully unprepared in every way I can only laugh, or else I’ll cry. And they consider themselves a nationwide leader. SMH.

No issues in my district at the moment. School has been chugging along for two weeks now. The benefits of being in a more rural district with less population density? Maybe.

 

[Angel Ariel]

No issues in my district at the moment. School has been chugging along for two weeks now. The benefits of being in a more rural district with less population density? Maybe.

Large district, high population density. Communication has always been crap between central office and individual schools, so what ends up happening is individual schools interpret guidelines in different ways, resulting in mass confusion when people at one school say this is what’s happening here when a student or teacher has to quarantine or isolate, and then someone from another school pipes up and says “no, that’s not the policy, the policy is this..”. Leadership is sorely lacking from both the district and the county health department.

We’ve got published district policies saying that if a full class has to quarantine while a health dept contact trace happens, then the class moves to virtual instruction - but then individual schools saying no, the class gets asynchronous work only until they are back in person (which is the policy for an individual student needing to quarantine, not a full class). This has already happened in the school of a friend of mine.

That’s just the tip of the Iceberg. It’s seriously a mess. And utterly inexcusable at this point.

 

[celluloid]

Large district, high population density. Communication has always been crap between central office and individual schools, so what ends up happening is individual schools interpret guidelines in different ways, resulting in mass confusion when people at one school say this is what’s happening here when a student or teacher has to quarantine or isolate, and then someone from another school pipes up and says “no, that’s not the policy, the policy is this..”. Leadership is sorely lacking from both the district and the county health department.

We’ve got published district policies saying that if a full class has to quarantine while a health dept contact trace happens, then the class moves to virtual instruction - but then individual schools saying no, the class gets asynchronous work only until they are back in person (which is the policy for an individual student needing to quarantine, not a full class). This has already happened in the school of a friend of mine.

That’s just the tip of the Iceberg. It’s seriously a mess. And utterly inexcusable at this point.

This. The school district I work for just a few days ago had a meeting where things were inconsistent between schools and parents with kids could not even keep track. This is what happens when they want to venture further form what the CDC recommends as well. There is no baseline at the school district I work for.

 

[correcaminos]

We cancelled our end of October trip (planned months ago, when we thought all of us would be vaccinated by then, but the lack of vax for under 12 is frustrating).

sad but necessary.

Sorry, but I understand it. It has to be so hard to have to wait with the younger kids. Hopefully soon!

 

[danlb_2000]

I think it was criminal when they shut down in March of 2020. I went in January and August this year and not a single member of our party contracted COVID. And if you really think about the numbers the VAST MAJORITY of people that attend the parks don’t contract COVID. Next time you have a thought… let it go.

We can debate whether in hind sight it was a good idea to shut down or not, but with what we knew at that time I think it was the right decision. We aren't doing rigorous contact tracing in this country so it hard to say with confidence how many people are getting infected at WDW.

 

[Heppenheimer]

BTW, for the Floridians here... the judge in the school mask mandate lawsuit is set to announce the ruling today, correct?

 

[Lilofan]

BTW, for the Floridians here... the judge in the school mask mandate lawsuit is set to announce the ruling today, correct?

Yes, Circuit Court Judge John Cooper will issue his ruling today Friday. It will probably be met with a lot of emotional reactions in Florida and other parts regarding both sides of the mask issue. May cooler heads prevail.

 

[DCBaker]

BTW, for the Floridians here... the judge in the school mask mandate lawsuit is set to announce the ruling today, correct?

Happening now.

 

[Andrew C]

Happening now.

I assume whatever ruling, it will go up to the next?

 

[Heppenheimer]

Happening now.

Thanks for the link.

From the brief sample I've heard so far, it doesn't appear to be going according to the governor's wishes.

 

[sullyinMT]

Thanks for the link.

From the brief sample I've heard so far, it doesn't appear to be going according to the governor's wishes.

No, it doesn’t. Is that the judge speaking? Because this ruling is a lot like the federal judge’s findings in favor of NCL. It’s good to see/hear the legal defeats of some of this nonsense. Hopefully other states and industries follow, allowing for employer rights in enforcing vaccination &/or masking.

ETA: this comment was made mid-stream. I’d be shocked if the judge ruled in favor of DeSantis and DOE.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Judge Cooper just said the Parents Bill of Rights does not permit the state to ban face masks, require an opt out or to punish them for requiring them without due process. School districts are not required to get permission from the state to enact policies.

Said he won’t provide relief to the plaintiffs on something but hasn’t yet stated what.

 

[Epcotbob]

Sorry, I haven't followed this thread for a while, but this article just popped up on my Android news feed. I was a bit shocked because I thought the vaccine provided greater immunity than previous infection ??

Science | AAAS

www.sciencemag.org

 

[Wendy Pleakley]

Sorry, I haven't followed this thread for a while, but this article just popped up on my Android news feed. I was a bit shocked because I thought the vaccine provided greater immunity than previous infection ??

Science | AAAS

www.sciencemag.org

Why be shocked? COVID is still a relatively new disease and we're still learning which vaccines are better, what the best interval is, if mixing vaccines is better, how vaccination immunity compares to "natural" immunity, to what degree variants change this info, etc.

At the end of the day, the best thing is still to NOT get COVID or to have a mild case. Vaccines are the first, best, way to do this. Maybe someone who is vaccinated and gets a mild case now has an extra level of immunity. Great. Getting vaccinated was still the correct choice.

 

[correcaminos]

Sorry, I haven't followed this thread for a while, but this article just popped up on my Android news feed. I was a bit shocked because I thought the vaccine provided greater immunity than previous infection ??

Science | AAAS

www.sciencemag.org

Another study showed the opposite. So take what you want on it.

Reduced Risk of Reinfection with SARS-CoV-2 After COVID-19...

This report describes COVID-19 reinfection among vaccinated and unvaccinated persons in Kentucky.

www.cdc.gov

My guess is it might vary a bit individually.... but it's so early we don't know. Best thing to do is push for vaccination as best as possible anyway. Covid+ plus vaccine seems amazing. Not that I want us all to do it, so vaccines first.

 

[Archie123]

Well a judge just said that school districts in Florida could impose mask mandates if they want to adding that Governor overstepped his authority. Good to see some logic happening in Florida.

 

[Heppenheimer]

Judge Cooper just said the Parents Bill of Rights does not permit the state to ban face masks, require an opt out or to punish them for requiring them without due process. School districts are not required to get permission from the state to enact policies.

Said he won’t provide relief to the plaintiffs on something but hasn’t yet stated what.

I didn't catch the substance of each indictment, nor the entire hearing, but I think my non-legally trained mind understood the gist. He did not grant relief on counts 1, 2 and 5. 5 seemed to be something about the Florida Department of Health, but there I think he threw it out because they weren't a party to the lawsuit. I have no idea what counts 1 and 2 were about. He also referenced a 6th count that he threw out, but I didn't understand.

But as you said, the ultimate goal of the plaintiffs appears to have been met. The relevant portions that I caught were that the Florida Parental Bill of Rights was violated by the executive order. Ironic, because that law was sited by the defense as a reason for the executive order, but the judge noted that he selectively sited portions of the law, and not the entirety of it. The other salient point was confirmation of local control of school boards to enact health and safety policies, as long as those policies served a reasonable goal, can not be met by a less restrictive policy and are temporary.

I also noticed that he ripped to shreds some of the defense's presented evidence on mask effectiveness, noting that they had taken quotes out of context from studies that actually concluded the exact opposite of what they alleged. That should sound familiar to anyone who has spent time on this thread over the past year.

It seemed like a rather narrow decision overall. It gave temporary relief to the plaintiffs, probably in the most salient points of what they wanted, but it wasn't a sweeping win for them either.

Anyhow, I know there's some lawyers lurking about this thread, so perhaps they can summarize much better than I ever could.

 

[KrzyKtty]

Haven't been on the thread in a while, but thought I would share this update. School started last week in our area. As I've reported before, no mask mandate, no virtual allowed at all, all kids must attend in person. School district next to us had to put close to 900 kids in quarantine after the first week and a half alone due to coming in close contact with somebody with covid at school.

No real clue about my school district because they're being pretty mum with the numbers. I do know dozens of kids have been sent home for my son's middle school though.

 

[Epcotbob]

Why be shocked? COVID is still a relatively new disease and we're still learning which vaccines are better, what the best interval is, if mixing vaccines is better, how vaccination immunity compares to "natural" immunity, to what degree variants change this info, etc.

At the end of the day, the best thing is still to NOT get COVID or to have a mild case. Vaccines are the first, best, way to do this. Maybe someone who is vaccinated and gets a mild case now has an extra level of immunity. Great. Getting vaccinated was still the correct choice.

I guess I'm shocked because this goes counter to what I've heard and what we've been told by the CDC and many in the medical community. I just went and read the CDC statement saying the opposite and they site a Kentucky study of "hundreds" of cases.

The Isreali study was of a database of 2.5 million.

The new analysis relies on the database of Maccabi Healthcare Services, which enrolls about 2.5 million Israelis. The study, led by Tal Patalon and Sivan Gazit at KSM, the system’s research and innovation arm, found in two analyses that people who were vaccinated in January and February were, in June, July, and the first half of August, six to 13 times more likely to get infected than unvaccinated people who were previously infected with the coronavirus.