Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[lazyboy97o]

You are going to change some anti vaxxer minds when a loved one succumbs to covid.

Some but not all. Too many people just double down that it wasn’t COVID or some other excuse.

The only possible use I could come up with was for creating big fireball effects. Still sounds dangerous though!

They don’t use oxygen for fireballs. It’s actually different gases like propane and/or methane and it varies based on the use because some burn brighter while others are cleaner (I don’t remember which is which). Some effects like the Diagonal Alley dragon use a mix that changes during the day.

These people are not that smart.
What was the drug at the beginning of this that people died from? Some type of aquarium cleaner? Was that hydroxychloroquine?

Same thing, they just gobbled it up after hearing the grifters push it

I believe they were buying chlorine.

According to MSDS/SDS, only potential issue is TSCA listing for propylene glycol and a human LD50 of >15mg/kg.

Other issue is label law.

Why are you here pushing for people to self medicate?

 

[Polkadotdress]

Thats the disconnect that I just cant wrap my head around really. Someone listens to an anti-vax person that tells him not to get the shots, but who himself/herself was vaccinated, and doesnt see a conflict. This Orwellian Double-think is pervasive across society and both major political parties. These talking heads were either right for getting them, or they were wrong. Which is it?

Actually, most people don't realize that public personas/celebrities are NOTHING what they seem like "on air." And it's sad to think that people buy in to following someone because they think that person is so wise, or smart, or witty...when actually they are the opposite in real life.

 

[mf1972]

Let's all pray for that. An RN I know who works in a part of a hospital that has been converted to a covid ward due to overflow of patients has to use FaceTime with the covid patient dying and their immediate family at home who are not allowed to go say their goodbyes in person. It has to get better.

my sister is an er nurse & had to do that once or twice. a few nurses i know where i work had to do the same as well. took a toll on them, but they all managed to pull it together & move forward.

 

[DisneyCane]

3rd state to hit 3 million cases is Florida. Surpassed by only 15 countries. That’s just reckless and a disgrace IMO. Someone here was talking about why a radio host would want their listeners to be sick or even possibly die.. you can probably ask some governors the same thing about their people in their state.

Florida's COVID surge 'a crisis of unprecedented proportions,' doctor says; school districts battle for masks. Latest COVID-19 updates

Florida school districts are in the middle of a tug-of-war between state and federal authorities over mask mandates. The latest COVID updates.

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Do you actually believe that China has only had 95k cases? I'm sure that isn't the only country that is WAY under reporting their case numbers.

The State with the most cases is California which is doing pretty much everything that you want Florida to be doing. California is 25.5% fewer cases per capita but the way you (and people who share your opinion) talk, you'd think that compared to Florida, a State like California where the Governor doesn't want people to die wouldn't even be in the same ballpark. Not to mention States like Oregon who are having quite the Delta spike in spite of higher vaccination rates than FL and more mitigation measures.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Do you actually believe that China has only had 95k cases? I'm sure that isn't the only country that is WAY under reporting their case numbers.

The State with the most cases is California which is doing pretty much everything that you want Florida to be doing. California is 25.5% fewer cases per capita but the way you (and people who share your opinion) talk, you'd think that compared to Florida, a State like California where the Governor doesn't want people to die wouldn't even be in the same ballpark. Not to mention States like Oregon who are having quite the Delta spike in spite of higher vaccination rates than FL and more mitigation measures.

California also has very little local enforcement. Having a rule doesn’t matter if it isn’t followed nor does it mean that the mitigation would not work.

 

[DisneyCane]

California also has very little local enforcement. Having a rule doesn’t matter if it isn’t followed nor does it mean that the mitigation would not work.

But people like the poster I replied to put all of the blame for Florida's "numbers" on one person. In reality, what the Governor and/or State government are doing seems to not have that big of an effect on "the numbers."

To what extent mitigation measures that don't involve strict lockdowns work is irrelevant.

 

[Lilofan]

Thats the disconnect that I just cant wrap my head around really. Someone listens to an anti-vax person that tells him not to get the shots, but who himself/herself was vaccinated, and doesnt see a conflict. This Orwellian Double-think is pervasive across society and both major political parties. These talking heads were either right for getting them, or they were wrong. Which is it?

Do what I say, don't do as I do.

 

[AEfx]

But people like the poster I replied to put all of the blame for Florida's "numbers" on one person. In reality, what the Governor and/or State government are doing seems to not have that big of an effect on "the numbers."

No, clearly one cannot put "all the blame" on the governor of Florida. However, we are talking about a man who has tried to not only discourage mitigation measures, he has done everything in his power to try to make them ILLEGAL. It's disgusting.

 

[The Mrs]

Do you actually believe that China has only had 95k cases? I'm sure that isn't the only country that is WAY under reporting their case numbers.

The State with the most cases is California which is doing pretty much everything that you want Florida to be doing. California is 25.5% fewer cases per capita but the way you (and people who share your opinion) talk, you'd think that compared to Florida, a State like California where the Governor doesn't want people to die wouldn't even be in the same ballpark. Not to mention States like Oregon who are having quite the Delta spike in spite of higher vaccination rates than FL and more mitigation measures.

To the bolded, I personally do not believe that number is even close.
You bring up a good point in the main paragraph. It's a big problem, which I'm pretty sure has no solution- it's really impossible to tell what's working the best, or at all, other than vaccinations, which help immensely and far more than anything else. I have been mostly home bound for the past 17+ months and I would truly love some verification of whether or not it's necessary. My main motivation is not getting sick, but if I only had my vaccinated self to worry about, I would not be so extreme, especially during the times when my local cases have been quite low. As it is, my motivation is because I want to see my unvaccinated grandchildren as much as possible. Their parents require a 14 day break every time myself or my husband leave the house to go anywhere indoors or have anyone else inside our home. It's not my place to argue with their rules, but I really wish there was some direct measure of what my self discipline is or is not accomplishing. To say I'm frustrated is an understatement.

 

[DisneyDebRob]

But people like the poster I replied to put all of the blame for Florida's "numbers" on one person. In reality, what the Governor and/or State government are doing seems to not have that big of an effect on "the numbers."

To what extent mitigation measures that don't involve strict lockdowns work is irrelevant.

I never put the blame on one person. That’s you again moving the conversation to bolster your point. If you go back to my actual post I said “you can ASK SOME governors “. But I’ll stick by my opinion of it’s a disgrace and some are getting sick and dying needlessly. If you want to call me out for drawing attention to that governors policy and others , that’s fine I am. I don’t mention others because this is a WDW and Covid thread.

 

[Chi84]

California also has very little local enforcement. Having a rule doesn’t matter if it isn’t followed nor does it mean that the mitigation would not work.

Hasn’t that always been the issue with mitigation? I live in Illinois, which is one of the more restrictive states when it comes to executive orders regarding mitigation. People (for the most part) have complied with signs on doors and businesses have largely complied with mandates on closures, capacity limits, and social distancing.

But no agencies are enforcing these mandates - they really never did. The police department here has its hands full with other matters; unless violence was involved, I don’t believe they ever responded to calls about masks. And the other agencies simply did not have sufficient enforcement staff. No one knows what private businesses did with their own employees; I know for a fact that many retail businesses instructed workers not to approach people who refused to wear a mask.

Mitigation measures work well in theory but we have to be realistic in assessing their effectiveness in the real world.

 

[DisneyCane]

No, clearly one cannot put "all the blame" on the governor of Florida. However, we are talking about a man who has tried to not only discourage mitigation measures, he has done everything in his power to try to make them ILLEGAL. It's disgusting.

There are no mitigation measures which are ILLEGAL. A vaccine passport is not a mitigation measure and there is only one case (businesses refusing service) where proof of vaccination is illegal.

Any person or business is free to put in place whatever mitigation measures that they wish to (see WDW and requiring masks indoors). They could even allow guests who provide proof of vaccination to opt out of measures. The only thing that they can not do is require proof of vaccination as a condition to entry. That's it. There is exactly one thing related to COVID which is ILLEGAL in Florida.

 

[Lilofan]

There are no mitigation measures which are ILLEGAL. A vaccine passport is not a mitigation measure and there is only one case (businesses refusing service) where proof of vaccination is illegal.

Any person or business is free to put in place whatever mitigation measures that they wish to (see WDW and requiring masks indoors). They could even allow guests who provide proof of vaccination to opt out of measures. The only thing that they can not do is require proof of vaccination as a condition to entry. That's it. There is exactly one thing related to COVID which is ILLEGAL in Florida.

Norwegian Cruise Lines with support from US District Judge Kathleen Williams requires proof of vaccination of its passengers to sail with them when the ships leave FL in defiance to the FL Governor.

 

[Polkadotdress]

But people like the poster I replied to put all of the blame for Florida's "numbers" on one person. In reality, what the Governor and/or State government are doing seems to not have that big of an effect on "the numbers."

To what extent mitigation measures that don't involve strict lockdowns work is irrelevant.

One person’s actions in the state are DIRECTLY and negatively effecting children, by causing them to exposed needlessly to the virus while at school and/or withholding $ from their schools.

So yes, one person is causing a lot of hardship.

 

[LittleBuford]

There is exactly one thing related to COVID which is ILLEGAL in Florida.

He also rendered illegal local bans on mass religious gatherings last year.

 

[Nubs70]

Some but not all. Too many people just double down that it wasn’t COVID or some other excuse.

They don’t use oxygen for fireballs. It’s actually different gases like propane and/or methane and it varies based on the use because some burn brighter while others are cleaner (I don’t remember which is which). Some effects like the Diagonal Alley dragon use a mix that changes during the day.

I believe they were buying chlorine.

Why are you here pushing for people to self medicate?

Not pushing, discussing.

Or are we not allowed to talk about it?

 

[lazyboy97o]

Not pushing, discussing.

Or are we not allowed to talk about it?

You’re acting as though self medicating is in some way a reasonable course of action.

 

[DisneyCane]

One person’s actions in the state are DIRECTLY and negatively effecting children, by causing them to exposed needlessly to the virus while at school and/or withholding $ from their schools.

So yes, one person is causing a lot of hardship.

Except those children are at extremely low risk and having other children wear cloth face coverings at school isn't going to do much, if anything. How many first graders are going to properly wear anything all day?

If you're worried about your children then get small sized N95 respirators and teach them to properly wear them all day. So no, one person isn't causing a lot of hardship in that regard.

 

[DisneyCane]

He also rendered illegal local bans on mass religious gatherings last year.

A religious organization can choose not to have mass gatherings. The organization isn't restricted from any mitigation that they wish (or wished) to to do.

 

[DisneyCane]

Norwegian Cruise Lines with support from US District Judge Kathleen Williams requires proof of vaccination of its passengers to sail with them when the ships leave FL in defiance to the FL Governor.

First of all, the Cruise issue is complicated as the cruises themselves don't occur within the State of Florida for the most part. The ships are all foreign registered.

Second, the ruling on this will likely keep getting flipped back and forth depending on which President appointed the current judge or the majority of judges in a circuit court.