Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[Polkadotdress]

Except those children are at extremely low risk and having other children wear cloth face coverings at school isn't going to do much, if anything. How many first graders are going to properly wear anything all day?

If you're worried about your children then get small sized N95 respirators and teach them to properly wear them all day. So no, one person isn't causing a lot of hardship in that regard.

The FL children who are in the hospital would disagree with you.

 

[DisneyCane]

The old “ it’s not going to do much so why do anything “ is getting old and is why we are still in this kind of shape. Just stop with that ignorant argument. It won’t help everyone so why do it is the arguments we would have at recess when we were children.

It isn't ignorant. It is an informed opinion and is not remotely the reason for the current state of COVID-19. A cost/benefit analysis should be done for all measures. Just because a measure does "more than nothing" doesn't mean it should be implemented.

 

[DisneyCane]

The FL children who are in the hospital would disagree with you.

Are there more of them in the hospital than are in the hospital during a bad flu season? If so, what percentage more? When discussing children it is a valid comparison.

 

[Lilofan]

First of all, the Cruise issue is complicated as the cruises themselves don't occur within the State of Florida for the most part. The ships are all foreign registered.

Second, the ruling on this will likely keep getting flipped back and forth depending on which President appointed the current judge or the majority of judges in a circuit court.

Even though the ships are foreign registered which is irrelevant the ships depart from Port of Miami for example which is a few miles from South Beach ( sounds like within the state of FL to the obvious ) . I don't see the ruling being flipped. NCL is thinking of their ship passengers and safety , the FL Gov is not. Your statement of "cruises themselves don't occur within the state of FL for the most part" is incorrect.

 

[Mark52479]

Florida's cases look they have most definitely peaked.

Multiple indications of that right now.

unfortunately the deaths will lag behind and we will see those numbers high for a little while longer.

 

[sullyinMT]

Are there more of them in the hospital than are in the hospital during a bad flu season? If so, what percentage more? When discussing children it is a valid comparison.

Not sure about FL. Dallas Children’s isn’t exactly a small, rural player, though. From 6 days ago: https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/coronav...and-rsv-at-dallas-childrens-hospital/2719575/

 

[sullyinMT]

Even though the ships are foreign registered which is irrelevant the ships depart from Port of Miami for example which is a few miles from South Beach. I don't see the ruling being flipped. NCL is thinking of their ship passengers and safety , the FL Gov is not.

I don’t see it being ultimately flipped, either. SCOTUS kind of showed their hand with that this week with the IU students’ complaint, when the most recent appointee didn’t want to hear their argument. Ultimately NCL will come out winning this case.

 

[Lilofan]

I don’t see it being ultimately flipped, either. SCOTUS kind of showed their hand with that this week with the IU students’ complaint, when the most recent appointee didn’t want to hear their argument. Ultimately NCL will come out winning this case.

I'm sure Disney, Carnival, Royal Caribbean and etc whose ships all leave out of FL for example are following the Norwegian cruise line matter.

 

[Virtual Toad]

There are no mitigation measures which are ILLEGAL. A vaccine passport is not a mitigation measure and there is only one case (businesses refusing service) where proof of vaccination is illegal.

Any person or business is free to put in place whatever mitigation measures that they wish to (see WDW and requiring masks indoors). They could even allow guests who provide proof of vaccination to opt out of measures. The only thing that they can not do is require proof of vaccination as a condition to entry. That's it. There is exactly one thing related to COVID which is ILLEGAL in Florida.

Jumping in late but I am sorry Cane, that is simply not true. The governor has signed an executive order (edited to correct that the legislature did not pass it) that makes mandating masks in public schools illegal. That order and the tone it has set at the start of the school year has already had significant negative consequences for the health and well being of thousands of people.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Jumping in late but I am sorry Cane, that is simply not true. There is a law in FL passed by the legislature and signed by the governor that makes mandating masks in public schools illegal. That law and the tone it has set at the start of the school year has already had significant negative consequences for the health and well being of thousands of people.

Making a mandate illegal is not making the underlying thing being mandated illegal. In other words, banning mask MANDATES is not a ban on MASKS.

School boards are the creation of state government and the Florida legislature has every right to tell them what to do.

 

[Virtual Toad]

Except those children are at extremely low risk and having other children wear cloth face coverings at school isn't going to do much, if anything. How many first graders are going to properly wear anything all day?

If you're worried about your children then get small sized N95 respirators and teach them to properly wear them all day. So no, one person isn't causing a lot of hardship in that regard.

Enough. Live in this state as a parent with children who have seen teachers die, classmates hospitalized and students yanked from school mid class thanks to a lack of mandatory mitigation policies— as well as a specific law banning such policies— and then come back here and try to tell me you have any idea what you’re talking about. No mitigation measure is 100 percent effective— but to take up the cause of anti-maskers at this point in the crisis through false equivalency arguments and shoulder-shrugging suggestions that mitigation measures are doomed to fail because children can’t wear masks properly is disingenuous — and it contributes to real pain and suffering.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

No mitigation measure is 100 percent effective.

No, but some mitigation measures are 0% effective and you're defending them.

Also, your insistence on masks, which are not supported by the data, is being used by anti-vaxxers as evidence that "your side" is anti-science about the vaccines, too. Mask mandates make people less likely to get vaccinated, so you could almost argue that they're net WORSE than 0% effective.

 

[Mark52479]

Actually, the Florida state legislators have NOT yet voted on the masks issues in school going on right now.

This was done by an Executive order by the governor.

An EO is very different than an actual law past by the legislators.

If the Florida legislators do vote to make having mask mandates illegal in schools, you will see these school districts change course very quick.

 

[The Mrs]

Jumping in late but I am sorry Cane, that is simply not true. There is a law in FL passed by the legislature and signed by the governor that makes mandating masks in public schools illegal. That law and the tone it has set at the start of the school year has already had significant negative consequences for the health and well being of thousands of people.

@Virtual Toad , I have read many of your posts and I am very sympathetic to what your family is going through with regard to the children going to school. It broke my heart to read your post on Friday about how worried your child was after classmates tested positive.
A question for you- are your children allowed to wear masks in school, and if so, are they doing it even though others are not? I am just curious and trying to keep facts straight.

My heart goes out to you. I know how stressful it is to worry about your children and to see them upset and in danger.

 

[Virtual Toad]

It isn't ignorant. It is an informed opinion and is not remotely the reason for the current state of COVID-19. A cost/benefit analysis should be done for all measures. Just because a measure does "more than nothing" doesn't mean it should be implemented.

As a parent the quite minimal “cost” of mandatory masking in schools in addition to responsible, common sense mitigation measures such as social distancing and virtual learning would have a tremendous “benefit.” That you would use these terms to frame the discussion is cold hearted and downright insensitive.

 

[Virtual Toad]

Actually, the Florida state legislators have NOT yet voted on the masks issues in school going on right now.

This was done by an Executive order by the governor.

An EO is very different than an actual law past by the legislators.

If the Florida legislators do vote to make having mask mandates illegal in schools, you will see these school districts change course very quick.

My apologies you are correct. Then it really is one person we are talking about.

 

[Virtual Toad]

No, but some mitigation measures are 0% effective and you're defending them.

Also, your insistence on masks, which are not supported by the data, is being used by anti-vaxxers as evidence that "your side" is anti-science about the vaccines, too. Mask mandates make people less likely to get vaccinated, so you could almost argue that they're net WORSE than 0% effective.

Give me a break. Those of us in favor of reasonable safety measures including masks, social distancing and virtual learning options— responsible and common sense measures that were in place there last year under the same state leadership, BTW— are not in any way anti-vaccine. But you already know that.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Give me a break. Those of us in favor of reasonable safety measures including masks, social distancing and virtual learning options— responsible and common sense measures that were in place there last year under the same state leadership, BTW— are not in any way anti-vaccine. But you already know that.

Kids are not at meaningful risk! There's no such thing as a "reasonable" measures because no measures are necessary.

 

[Lilofan]

Actually, the Florida state legislators have NOT yet voted on the masks issues in school going on right now.

This was done by an Executive order by the governor.

An EO is very different than an actual law past by the legislators.

If the Florida legislators do vote to make having mask mandates illegal in schools, you will see these school districts change course very quick.

If FL legislatures do support then their current career may be a short one.

 

[Andrew C]

If FL legislatures do support then their current career may be a short one.

Why? I’m sure the people who voted them in support it too. But this is back to politics. So I won’t add more.