Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

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DisneyFan32

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Hopefully, may be later but I think the FDA is processing the data as fast as they can. Once all the data is in they will make a decision but like the ones before I'm pretty sure there is little negative data so it will be approved.
It might be October soon. That makes reducing COVID-19 surges by Winter.
 

Polkadotdress

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I am sorry for your situation. If you are that upset and worried, maybe you should pull your kid from school. If you consider the risk to be too great and dangerous for your child, time to rethink sending him/her.
School should never be a scary place. And by all accounts, @Virtual Toad ’s kids are terrified to be there.

What sort of world do we live in when kids are not afraid of bullies, or mean teachers, or finding new friends, and are instead afraid of losing their lives at school? Oh that’s right, it’s Florida.
 

Andrew C

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School should never be a scary place. And by all accounts, @Virtual Toad ’s kids are terrified to be there.

What sort of world do we live in when kids are not afraid of bullies, or mean teachers, or finding new friends, and are instead afraid of losing their lives at school? Oh that’s right, it’s Florida.
Not specific to the original poster. But If any vaccinated teen not in a high risk category or an unvaccinated elementary kid not in a high risk category is not only afraid of getting covid at school but then dying as a result, then someone has been overstating the risk to him or her. That’s an unnecessary burden on a child. I keep saying, don’t understate the risk. But don’t overstate it either.
 

StarWarsGirl

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Please take this with all sincerity. That was so very brave to do this the way you did. I hope all goes well with this shot for you.
Yeah, as scary as the potential of an allergic reaction was, delta scares the crap out of me. Plus I'm going to WDW in a few weeks, so this will provide partial protection.

I think I'm pretty much out of the woods, although I'm having some asthma symptoms, so the benadryl was probably a good idea (although right now I'd very much like to go to bed).
 

Virtual Toad

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Not specific to the original poster. But If any vaccinated teen not in a high risk category or an unvaccinated elementary kid not in a high risk category is not only afraid of getting covid at school but then dying as a result, then someone has been overstating the risk to him or her. That’s an unnecessary burden on a child. I keep saying, don’t understate the risk. But don’t overstate it either.
A fair point. Our kids take it seriously, probably more than most. Even though they’re vaccinated, it’s hit close enough to home (a teacher passing away and a grandmother testing positive and enduring a dangerous nursing home environment, and this week a fellow student hospitalized) that yes, they’re a bit scared. They also don’t want to get a case, that while most likely mild for them, could infect a loved one, including their grandparents. And while fear is a factor, it’s also extreme exasperation at the complete lack of reasonable safety measures they have to live with every day. Going back was a big step for them after virtual for a year. We’re helping them work through the apprehension but a safe learning environment, free from fear and stress, or at least as much as possible, shouldn’t be too much to ask for.
 

Andrew C

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A fair point. Our kids take it seriously, probably more than most. Even though they’re vaccinated, it’s hit close enough to home (a teacher passing away and a grandmother testing positive and enduring a dangerous nursing home environment, and this week a fellow student hospitalized) that yes, they’re a bit scared. They also don’t want to get a case, that while most likely mild for them, could infect a loved one, including their grandparents. And while fear is a factor, it’s also extreme exasperation at the complete lack of reasonable safety measures they have to live with every day. Going back was a big step for them after virtual for a year. We’re helping them work through the apprehension but a safe learning environment, free from fear and stress, or at least as much as possible, shouldn’t be too much to ask for.
Not like you require validation from me or anything, but this is a fair and reasonable post IMO.
 

Virtual Toad

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Not like you require validation from me or anything, but this is a fair and reasonable post IMO.
LOL. It’s genuinely appreciated. Working through this whole thing is a day-by-day affair for everyone, and while not everyone agrees on everything here all the time, just being able to converse and commiserate with others is therapeutic as well as helpful. Cheers 🙂
 

correcaminos

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Not specific to the original poster. But If any vaccinated teen not in a high risk category or an unvaccinated elementary kid not in a high risk category is not only afraid of getting covid at school but then dying as a result, then someone has been overstating the risk to him or her. That’s an unnecessary burden on a child. I keep saying, don’t understate the risk. But don’t overstate it either.
True but kids hear about things that we don't even tell them. It's not always just on the parents. Unfortunately our kids see and hear things. One of my friends with a kid who is a classmate of my own kid was seriously freaked out on their own. Shutting schools down has a way of doing that. Not to mention those with high risk loved ones or losing a loved one or.... yeah they take it seriously and I get why. Kids also tend to develop irrational fears on their own too. Combine that and it can be hard.
Yeah, as scary as the potential of an allergic reaction was, delta scares the crap out of me. Plus I'm going to WDW in a few weeks, so this will provide partial protection.

I think I'm pretty much out of the woods, although I'm having some asthma symptoms, so the benadryl was probably a good idea (although right now I'd very much like to go to bed).
I hear you on that. Glad you'll have partial protection and hopefully case numbers drop too.

I hope you can rest well soon!
 

Lilofan

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School should never be a scary place. And by all accounts, @Virtual Toad ’s kids are terrified to be there.

What sort of world do we live in when kids are not afraid of bullies, or mean teachers, or finding new friends, and are instead afraid of losing their lives at school? Oh that’s right, it’s Florida.
Someone once said Florida is a sunny place for shady people.
 

wutisgood

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A lot of people are just too stupid or selfish to understand what public safety means. Personal or religious beliefs when it comes to obeying traffic laws don't matter to your local law enforcement when it comes to obeying stop signs or speed limits. Even the Catholic church has told people to knock it off and get vaccinated. Insurance companies are going to punish you for being an a hole now that the vaccine is approved fully. These people arguing against safety are going to be put in the same category at the anti seatbelt people of long ago.
 

carolina_yankee

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CDC changes guidance for older adults and pregnant women not to cruise no matter what the vaccination status is.

It's not unwise. All health matters are intensely complicated at sea. Add in the extremely likelihood of something happening, and you really have to weigh the risks. The problem is that you can plan a cruise when things look great, and then a variant like Delta (or worse) can crop up before you sail that changes the calculation. And ships just can't be outfitted to handle the kind of care that serious COVID patients need.

I won't cruise without 100% vaccination, and I'm not sure cruising as an industry is going to be really successful again until effective treatments appear that dramatically reduce the risk of hospitalizations and deaths or vaccines guarantee no break-through (not likely).
 

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Lilofan

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It's not unwise. All health matters are intensely complicated at sea. Add in the extremely likelihood of something happening, and you really have to weigh the risks. The problem is that you can plan a cruise when things look great, and then a variant like Delta (or worse) can crop up before you sail that changes the calculation. And ships just can't be outfitted to handle the kind of care that serious COVID patients need.

I won't cruise without 100% vaccination, and I'm not sure cruising as an industry is going to be really successful again until effective treatments appear that dramatically reduce the risk of hospitalizations and deaths or vaccines guarantee no break-through (not likely).
Last place I will get on is a cruise ship and I'm vaccinated.
 

DisneyFan32

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It's not unwise. All health matters are intensely complicated at sea. Add in the extremely likelihood of something happening, and you really have to weigh the risks. The problem is that you can plan a cruise when things look great, and then a variant like Delta (or worse) can crop up before you sail that changes the calculation. And ships just can't be outfitted to handle the kind of care that serious COVID patients need.

I won't cruise without 100% vaccination, and I'm not sure cruising as an industry is going to be really successful again until effective treatments appear that dramatically reduce the risk of hospitalizations and deaths or vaccines guarantee no break-through (not likely).
Next year will best than last year, as everything's going to back to normal with no more masks on transportation anymore, no social distancing anymore, the pandemic would be over soon, even the cruises will go back to normal, no more COVID-19 problems anymore.
 

Heppenheimer

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CDC changes guidance for older adults and pregnant women not to cruise no matter what the vaccination status is.

Sailing on a boat was a surprisingly dangerous endevour up until about 100 years ago. A certain percentage of the crew and passengers were expected to not just get sick but actually die on every extended ocean voyage. Through the discovery that scurvy was caused by a lack of vitamin C, the germ theory of disease, and the implementation of sanitation and hygiene procedures, death from infectious disease during a cruise became a rarity. Now, it seems we're back to the mid 1850s again. If we can't control a relatively benign but annoying and extremely contagious disease like nororvirus on ships, how can we expect to corale COVID-19?

Amazing how some particularly blockheaded politicians almost willfully remain ignorant of this history, even for an industry of particular importance to their states.
 

GimpYancIent

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It's not unwise. All health matters are intensely complicated at sea. Add in the extremely likelihood of something happening, and you really have to weigh the risks. The problem is that you can plan a cruise when things look great, and then a variant like Delta (or worse) can crop up before you sail that changes the calculation. And ships just can't be outfitted to handle the kind of care that serious COVID patients need.

I won't cruise without 100% vaccination, and I'm not sure cruising as an industry is going to be really successful again until effective treatments appear that dramatically reduce the risk of hospitalizations and deaths or vaccines guarantee no break-through (not likely).
Sad for the cruise industry, but, the floating Petri dishes had a bad history when it came to disease spread on board to begin with. Now! enter COVID19. Since the days of ships being the primary means of international travel are long gone and cruising is a leisure / vacation thing it is not essential to anything and can be done with out.
 
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