Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[UNCgolf]

No - details matter...

habius corpus can be suspended under martial law but issues like bush and roosevelt were not exceeding the constitution as part of a national emergency- they were actually deemed constitutional actions at the time. They weren't exceptions. The formality of being at war and concepts of national security enabled the fed to do wide spread things in wwii with the support of the courts.

A "national emergency" is a codified thing in law now. It is not a doorway to putting the constitution on hold.

the recent scotus appointments on the other hand...,

*habeus corpus

He's right, though. All national emergencies are now pursuant to the National Emergencies Act of 1976, which lays out a specific set of powers granted to the President during the emergency. That law didn't exist during the Roosevelt or Truman administrations. It doesn't allow the President to do absolutely anything he wants.

 

[monothingie]

The mortality rate will end up no where near that. It’s far more widespread than reported. I was turned away three times from testing because I hadn’t traveled. Finally got the test. Positive. At least I was self-isolating. Many would get turned away once and just go to work.

They claim 8000 cases in NYC. It’s far higher than that. As long as immunity is protective, this will quickly run through big cities killing far fewer than 1% of the population. Even with shelter in place, it’s still doubling every 3 days.

Which only serves to show the absurdity of the one size fits all lock down restrictions because they are ineffective. Instead of a one-size fits all lockdown, more targeted self isolation of those who are vulnerable should have taken place. Let herd immunity take care of the rest.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

Of course those movie images are a large part of what is leading to the panic and reactions. Just like I believe The Walking Dead is a big driver behind the hoarding of supplies.

Oh, I agree. Just stating my opinion about theaters staying open. I'm not panicking, but I tend to lean on the cautious side.

 

[ToTBellHop]

Which only serves to show the absurdity of the one size fits all lock down restrictions because they are ineffective. Instead of a one-size fits all lockdown, more targeted self isolation of those who are vulnerable should have taken place. Let herd immunity take care of the rest.

Places like NYC should be locked down. Not sure why schools are closed in Nebraska.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

i have been forced to buy lactose free milk at publix and i must say.....




its crap lol

Our boys and their autism make brand loyalty a pretty high priority when it comes to food...I made a point of telling hubby that with all the empty shelves at the supermarkets, that now goes right out the window, lol.

 

[DisneyCane]

Our boys and their autism make brand loyalty a pretty high priority when it comes to food...I made a point of telling hubby that with all the empty shelves at the supermarkets, that now goes right out the window, lol.

I still do not understand the grocery/necessity hoarding. I never saw a report out of Wuhan that said there was any supply issue. They were just restricted of when they could go out to the store.

 

[Brer Oswald]

The mortality rate will end up no where near that. It’s far more widespread than reported. I was turned away three times from testing because I hadn’t traveled. Finally got the test. Positive. At least I was self-isolating. Many would get turned away once and just go to work.

They claim 8000 cases in NYC. It’s far higher than that. As long as immunity is protective, this will quickly run through big cities killing far fewer than 1% of the population. Even with shelter in place, it’s still doubling every 3 days.

If you don’t mind me asking, what kind of symptoms did you have? I’m wondering if I had it this past week.

 

[UNCgolf]

I forgot to quote the post, but I also agree that the mortality rate is likely much lower than what we've seen thus far. There are too many people who are asymptomatic or have very mild cases and are never going to be tested or confirmed as a positive.

I can't find the link now, but I read that some statisticians estimated they were currently at least 10 million cases in the US based on the confirmed numbers, the spread of the virus, and the growth rates.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

I still do not understand the grocery/necessity hoarding. I never saw a report out of Wuhan that said there was any supply issue. They were just restricted of when they could go out to the store.

There's a whole lot of people around here either not taking this nearly seriously enough, or freaking the hell out and hoarding anything they can get their hands on. Hubby bypassed some whole chicken in the meat section, changed his mind LESS than 2 minutes later, and the 5 packages that were there were gone already...and the store wasn't THAT busy. People here are behaving as if the supply chain has been interrupted, like it commonly does when we have a really bad winter storm. That's not the case, but that's really the only emergency preparation that they're used to.

ETA: HAHAHAHA...I think you can guess the word that got censored out...

 

[DisneyCane]

If you own a theater you are probably not thrilled about the idea of bringing the virus home to family.

The same risk exists if I own a grocery store. Especially when the movie theaters were "social distancing" in the auditoriums.

I went to Target yesterday and was in close contact with many people in the checkout area. Probably more contact than I would have had in a movie theater at 50% capacity with staggered seating.

 

[monothingie]

Places like NYC should be locked down. Not sure why schools are closed in Nebraska.

Unless you are going to start arresting people, good luck locking down population centers like NYC, LA, etc. Punch up any major metropolitan webcam and see all the people.

 

[UNCgolf]

There's a whole lot of people around here either not taking this nearly seriously enough, or freaking the hell out and hoarding anything they can get their hands on. Hubby bypassed some whole chicken ******* in the meat section, changed his mind LESS than 2 minutes later, and the 5 packages that were there were gone already...and the store wasn't THAT busy. People here are behaving as if the supply chain has been interrupted, like it commonly does when we have a really bad winter storm. That's not the case, but that's really the only emergency preparation that they're used to.

People were hoarding supplies at the Publix near me back when things were first ramping up a week or so ago. Half the shelves in the store were completely empty. All the meat was gone -- beef, chicken, etc.

It seems like that's passed now, though. I was in there yesterday and while they didn't have any ground beef, they had tons of steaks and other cuts of beef, plenty of chicken, and the seafood counter was fully stocked. And it wasn't even busy inside. The only thing they are still out of are paper products like paper towels and toilet paper, hand sanitizer, and some cleaning supplies (although there were still cleaning supplies available; the shelves were just partially empty).

 

[ImperfectPixie]

The same risk exists if I own a grocery store. Especially when the movie theaters were "social distancing" in the auditoriums.

I went to Target yesterday and was in close contact with many people in the checkout area. Probably more contact than I would have had in a movie theater at 50% capacity with staggered seating.

Supermarkets around here are a BIG PROBLEM. People aren't acknowledging the 6 feet minimum safe distance and are getting impatient with those who do. I get that here in NE, we tend to run around like crazy people in relation to other parts of the country...but leaving some extra space in line right now is important and closing line gaps isn't going to get you through check-out any faster.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

good blessings for you and your family

Thank you.

 

[LittleBuford]

We haven't crested the infection curve yet. I've also read (I forget where) that those who die have already been sick for multiple weeks...as in more than 14 days and as long as a month or more.

Perhaps you’re thinking of the article I shared here a few days ago:

“The time lag between diagnosis and death is even longer — researchers have already established it takes about a month to die of covid-19. So in places where there has been poor testing (including the U.K., where testing is focused on those at risk of severe illness), deaths attributed to the coronavirus are telling us that transmission happened five weeks earlier.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/03/16/britain-coronavirus-disaster/?outputType=amp

 

[ImperfectPixie]

Perhaps you’re thinking of the article I shared here a few days ago:

Very possibly!

 

[thomas998]

Depends on the speed of the spread. If the spread is slowed and much less than half the population get it then herd immunity can be achieved through vaccine instead of infection. That’s what happened with H1N1.

Herd immunity if even possible will require about 70% of the people to be infected... So you're already over a million deaths to get there.

 

[UNCgolf]

I was also at a Whole Foods in Midtown Atlanta on Friday and it looked totally normal inside. Every area of the store was fully stocked; no empty shelves anywhere and tons of meat (including ground beef), seafood, and fresh produce.

 

[21stamps]

I hear ya, but and a big BUT at that,

If you would have ascribed a name and credible title to the quote it would have been a more highly persuasive contribution ........such as:
"""Dr. Ricardo Smitherins, director of infectious diseases at the Elliot Institute admitted the following:.......""""

Here’s yesterday’s briefing.

It shouldn’t be a shock to anyone. Most of us have realized we’re only dealing with limited data, during this whole thing. Now they’re flat out announcing how limited it really is

 

[Brer Oswald]

Herd immunity if even possible will require about 70% of the people to be infected... So you're already over a million deaths to get there.

That’s if everyone who gets tested is everyone that has it. We know that’s not the case.