Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[ImperfectPixie]

That’s not the point at all. The government shut nothing down. they cycled through all attractions and some were inspected before reopening.

Besides this has nothing to do with natural disasters, not sure why you brought fires and earthquakes up.

The government forcing “non-essential” businesses to close should not be allowed imho. Altering how they can conduct business (drive thru / take out only, etc.) is one thing, but forcing all in a state to close is over stepping and it sets a very dangerous precedent.

The problem (as evidenced by that bar owner who wants to sue) is that people ARE NOT doing what they're supposed to. It's similar to having a huge pile of snow at the end of your driveway put there by the street plows, tempting kids to sled on it even though they risk sliding into the street and getting hit by a car. Do you trust them not to sled there even though it's the only hill available nearby? Or do you take their sled away until you can bring them someplace where sledding is safer?

 

[GoofGoof]

Then they would have to quarantine the whole plane and crew if even a single person tested positive because they may have been exposed and gotten it during flight. It definitely wouldn't be a risk I'd want to take before vacation "I'll either be at my vacation spot or quarantined for 2 weeks?"

Right. Lots of people wouldn’t want to do it. I think until there is a vaccine there will be many things people aren’t comfortable with that they will need to comply with.

 

[21stamps]

The problem (as evidenced by that bar owner who wants to sue) is that people ARE NOT doing what they're supposed to. It's similar to having a huge pile of snow at the end of your driveway put there by the street plows, tempting kids to sled on it even though they risk sliding into the street and getting hit by a car. Do you trust them not to sled there even though it's the only hill available n? Or do you take their sled away until you can bring them someplace where sledding is safer?

it’s not that simple. This would be more akin to never letting the child go sledding again. The bar was wrong, imo, to stay open.. but the members only + liquor license gone for good- this is where a case will be. I don’t know if either one is valid or not.. Fines would have been understandable, preventing a business to reopen as they were, I don’t know if that’s ok.

 

["El Gran Magnifico"]

The ONLY way the spread could have been stopped would have been a complete lockdown of Hubei Province as soon as the virus was discovered.

That still may not have worked. The incubation period is too long. In theory someone could have contracted it and flown through Heathrow without even knowing they had it. They could have then flown on to JFK. It may have slowed the spread, but I don't think it would have stopped it.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

Looking back at other recent pandemics does raise an interesting question... the N1H1 infected about 60 million American and killed 12,500... so it killed a whole lot more people than the 300 dead so far in the US but didn't seem to get nearly as much panic and media coverage as this virus. One is left to wonder what was the real difference in 2009's N1H1 virus and this one... I have to wonder if the difference was that in 2009 we had just finished a presidential election and this time we are getting close to one.

That is certainly part of it. What I haven't been able to figure out is what made the media and governments around the world create the same panic.

We haven't crested the infection curve yet. I've also read (I forget where) that those who die have already been sick for multiple weeks...as in more than 14 days and as long as a month or more.

 

[Patcheslee]

The problem (as evidenced by that bar owner who wants to sue) is that people ARE NOT doing what they're supposed to. It's similar to having a huge pile of snow at the end of your driveway put there by the street plows, tempting kids to sled on it even though they risk sliding into the street and getting hit by a car. Do you trust them not to sled there even though it's the only hill available nearby? Or do you take their sled away until you can bring them someplace where sledding is safer?

Interesting fact here about sledding in our town: police shut down the dead-end street at the largest hill so kids can sled. Gotta love the guys in blue.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

it’s not that simple. This would be more akin to never letting the child go sledding again. The bar was wrong, imo, to stay open.. but the members only + liquor license gone for good- this is where a case will be. I don’t know if either one is valid or not.. Fines would have been understandable, preventing a business to reopen as they were, I don’t know if that’s ok.

Yeah, I don't agree with permanent revocation of his liquor license. I was more talking about why it's so necessary to force certain businesses to either change how they operate or to temporarily close. (ETA: I was using that bar owner as an example of those not doing what they're supposed to.)

 

[monothingie]

Disney reopens hypothesis

1. Temperature scanners at ttc. Only the magic Kingdom open.
2. No sale of food only pre packaged items and water
3. All shows, and entertainment cancelled
4. Limited rides open

Might as well keep the parks closed then because no one will want to go.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

Might as well keep the parks closed then because no one will want to go.

Yeah...I can't see someone who isn't an AP spending over $100 to enter a park that doesn't have that much to do.

 

["El Gran Magnifico"]

Might as well keep the parks closed then because no one will want to go.

Yes. When the parks open. Nobody should go. I completely agree with that assessment. Nobody go when the parks re-open.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Might as well keep the parks closed then because no one will want to go.

Yeah that sounds miserable to me.

 

[ToTBellHop]

Given the initial mortality rates were much higher, I don't think the politicians were asking anyone that understood what was required for herd immunity any questions they just assumed it would be the easiest solution to maintain their positions of power. When the dust settles some of these politicians that did next to nothing will get to relish in the fact that they were responsible for hundreds of thousands if not millions of lost lives in their country... It will make their winning any future elections much more difficult than if they had just forced countries into lockdowns months ago to try and actually stop the virus from taking hold.

It is increasingly becoming clear that millions of Americans won’t die.

 

[ElvisMickey]

For what it’s worth...

Coronavirus Quarantine Will Last 12 Weeks, Steve Mnuchin Says

Get ready to settle in, because the coronavirus quarantine will probably last into June ... this according to U.S. Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin.

www.tmz.com

 

[21stamps]

Folks,

We are still the United States of America. A country like the USA is never going to give a federal directive to lock down their businesses and citizens for months at a time, especially going back a few months ago when we first knew of the virus.
There’s no point in saying that it should have happened, because it wouldn’t ever be probable to happen.

 

[disneygeek90]

Disney reopens hypothesis

1. Temperature scanners at ttc. Only the magic Kingdom open.
2. No sale of food only pre packaged items and water
3. All shows, and entertainment cancelled
4. Limited rides open

Only MK being open sounds like a nightmare. It's easily the park I go to least, a lot of that to due the travel and the crowds.

If those are the requirements at that time then they shouldn't be open at all.

 

[thomas998]

No - details matter...

habius corpus can be suspended under martial law but issues like bush and roosevelt were not exceeding the constitution as part of a national emergency- they were actually deemed constitutional actions at the time. They weren't exceptions. The formality of being at war and concepts of national security enabled the fed to do wide spread things in wwii with the support of the courts.

A "national emergency" is a codified thing in law now. It is not a doorway to putting the constitution on hold.

the recent scotus appointments on the other hand...,

I think you are arguing semantics, what was done during those time of "national emergencies" were things which would under the normal circumstance never be allowed under the Constitution. So in effect the Constitution is suspended by them which is why they were allowed to happen... Unless of course you think we could normally just round up Japanese Americans and send them to camps.

 

[Rich Brownn]

It is increasingly becoming clear that millions of Americans won’t die.

Maybe not, but millions will probably suffer irreversable organ damage.

 

[disneygeek90]

Folks,

We are still the United States of America. A country like the USA is never going to give a federal directive to lock down their businesses and citizens for months at a time, especially going back a few months ago when we first knew of the virus.
There’s no point in saying that it should have happened, because it wouldn’t ever be probable to happen.

Let's be real. It would not be any stretch to assume that's where we're headed. We could have been proactive instead of reactive. We knew what was coming for months.

 

[21stamps]

For what it’s worth...

Coronavirus Quarantine Will Last 12 Weeks, Steve Mnuchin Says

Get ready to settle in, because the coronavirus quarantine will probably last into June ... this according to U.S. Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin.

www.tmz.com

I really hope people read beyond this headline, as it’s completely inaccurate on so many levels...
And then realize the faulty info in the article itself. I won’t wast my time disputing it here. I’ll just say TMZ, and leave it that.

 

[thomas998]

It is increasingly becoming clear that millions of Americans won’t die.

It is pretty clear now that even if only half the people get infected in the US that you will have more than a million dead from it. The lowest mortality rate yet push is 1.5%... so if I was going to place a bet on the final death figure it would be way north of a million. Vaccines and cures are a long ways off and the virus seems to be moving pretty quickly.