Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

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[GoofGoof]

Nope. I was there in the park when it happened. Some attractions closed for inspection but everything carried on as usual. That was in July, unless there was another earthquake that I wasn’t aware of.

The rides were shut down. That’s the point. A state of emergency results in things being closed.

In areas where the fires were out of control the government did force evacuations and close businesses. It happens all the time during a state of emergency.

 

[Lilofan]

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I'm sure the 80K plus WDW cast members at home are eager to know moving forward since their last paycheck runs out at the end of the month.

 

[21stamps]

Also, some part of the overwhelming of healthcare resources is people seeking medical attention that isn't necessary because of the "hype" of COVID-19. Under normal circumstances they'd think they had a cold or mild flu and stayed in bed for a few days. Now they go to an ER or doctor because they want to be tested even though it doesn't really matter if they test positive or not.

Well over 80% of the tests run in Florida are negative. Of the ones that test positive, only a small percentage really need medical care. If it wasn't for the hype, only that small percentage would be using up medical resources.

If the new virus hadn't been discovered, the world would have just thought it was a particularly bad flu season.

Every day this goes on we are taking away a day of quality life from 327 million people (just in the US) and causing economic damage that will adversely affect the quality of life of millions of people for months or years to come.

None of these actions are justified without doing studies to determine the real percentage of the population currently infected and what percentage of actual infections require hospitalization or ICU/ventilators.

If the Ohio official is correct and over 100,000 people in the state were already infected several days ago then the actual serious illness and mortality rate is infinitesimal since they have only reported 3 deaths. That would be a mortality rate less than 0.003% if the estimate is true.

Here’s what our “experts” said yesterday-

“We don’t know, we’re not going to know. We don’t have the data to allow us to know.”

I’ve never felt more reassured by “experts”.

 

[thomas998]

They have a test now that you get results in 45 mins. No need to show symptoms. Just swab everyone off of the plane and you know for sure who has it. That would have to continue until a vaccine is available.

Any test will only show positive when the viral load in the person passes a certain point. You could test a 1000 people today and then isolate everyone of them regardless of what the test showed and then retest them in a week later and find that some of your negatives had become positive simply because the virus hadn't gotten to the point that a test would pick it up. Those people would be a problem and would continually result in a place having to the virus pop back up on a regular basis.

 

[disneygeek90]

They could have.. but we know now that carriers of this sometimes show no symptoms.

You wouldn't have to show symptoms to test positive. They would just have to test everyone.

 

[flynnibus]

Actually they pretty much suspend parts of the Constitution. Think back to Roosevelt putting the Japanese Americans into interment camps, or Bush allowing torture after 9/11. There are certain powers Trump would have by declaring a national emergency that he would never had otherwise and it would be extremely rare for the court to stop or even consider stopping.

No - details matter...

habius corpus can be suspended under martial law but issues like bush and roosevelt were not exceeding the constitution as part of a national emergency- they were actually deemed constitutional actions at the time. They weren't exceptions. The formality of being at war and concepts of national security enabled the fed to do wide spread things in wwii with the support of the courts.

A "national emergency" is a codified thing in law now. It is not a doorway to putting the constitution on hold.

 

[LittleBuford]

Here’s what our “experts” said yesterday-

“We don’t know, we’re not going to know. We don’t have the data to allow us to know.”

I’ve never felt more reassured by “experts”.

Whom are you quoting/paraphrasing?

 

[GoofGoof]

Any test will only show positive when the viral load in the person passes a certain point. You could test a 1000 people today and then isolate everyone of them regardless of what the test showed and then retest them in a week later and find that some of your negatives had become positive simply because the virus hadn't gotten to the point that a test would pick it up. Those people would be a problem and would continually result in a place having to the virus pop back up on a regular basis.

I see your point. Testing would still get most but not all carriers. It would still dramatically reduce a potential relapse.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

The rides were shut down. That’s the point. A state of emergency results in things being closed.

In areas where the fires were out of control the government did force evacuations and close businesses. It happens all the time during a state of emergency.

That’s not the point at all. The government shut nothing down. they cycled through all attractions and some were inspected before reopening.

Besides this has nothing to do with natural disasters, not sure why you brought fires and earthquakes up.

The government forcing “non-essential” businesses to close should not be allowed imho. Altering how they can conduct business (drive thru / take out only, etc.) is one thing, but forcing all in a state to close is over stepping and it sets a very dangerous precedent.

 

[DisneyDebRob]

You wouldn't have to show symptoms to test positive. They would just have to test everyone.

I was referring to the temperature forehead check. My bad.

 

[21stamps]

Whom are you quoting/paraphrasing?

The latest update yesterday. It may be available to read or view online... not sure, I just watch the Ohio and Trump updates live every day, then do not watch any other ‘news’.

 

[GoofGoof]

Here’s what our “experts” said yesterday-

“We don’t know, we’re not going to know. We don’t have the data to allow us to know.”

I’ve never felt more reassured by “experts”.

Same applies to economists. Anyone who says they can accurately predict what the impact will be on the economy is also just speculating. As said many times already, leaders need to take input from all sources and experts in various areas, consider all the ramifications and then make decisions based on the available information. Taking no action because of incomplete data is not a great option. Leaders have to make decisions every day based on incomplete data. There’s no time to wait for extensive studies. We wasted too much time already.

 

[DisneyCane]

I was half joking because it isn’t realistic...though slightly more realistic than locking this country down months ago. It got out into the world because the Chinese government allowed it... that’s really all there is. Once that happened there was no way to stop it.

The ONLY way the spread could have been stopped would have been a complete lockdown of Hubei Province as soon as the virus was discovered. Once that wasn't done, nobody could prevent the worldwide spread because of the characteristics of this virus.
All the other countries could have each had 50 million tests and 10 billion N95 masks available and it wouldn't have been containable without complete lockdowns.

 

[21stamps]

That’s not the point at all. The government shut nothing down. they cycled through all attractions and some were inspected before reopening.

Besides this has nothing to do with natural disasters, not sure why you brought fires and earthquakes up.

The government forcing “non-essential” businesses to close should not be allowed imho. Altering how they can conduct business (drive thru / take out only, etc.) is one thing, but forcing all in a state to close is over stepping and it sets a very dangerous precedent.

The main issue in the specific case in Cincinnati, is that the owner claims to have made it a private club, I don’t know where that falls under the law.. I know the governor had the power to close private schools, so I’m assuming he has the power to close anything he wants, “members only” or not.
The other issue is the police filed to completely revoke the owner’s liquor license, for good. Not a suspension for the time being. That’s going to be the bulk of the fight. I don’t know enough about law to know if that’s something that can be done or not. All I know is there’s a lot of lawyers discussing this and looking forward to the case.

 

[thomas998]

I see your point. Testing would still get most but not all carriers. It would still dramatically reduce a potential relapse.

It would just lead to complete relapses... that's the problem.. even if only one person was missed, they would be spreading the virus and in a month or so you would be right back where you are now unless you had continual testing of everyone in a community and that's probably never going to feasible.

 

[21stamps]

The ONLY way the spread could have been stopped would have been a complete lockdown of Hubei Province as soon as the virus was discovered. Once that wasn't done, nobody could prevent the worldwide spread because of the characteristics of this virus.
All the other countries could have each had 50 million tests and 10 billion N95 masks available and it wouldn't have been containable without complete lockdowns.

Exactly.

 

[DisneyCane]

Looking back at other recent pandemics does raise an interesting question... the N1H1 infected about 60 million American and killed 12,500... so it killed a whole lot more people than the 300 dead so far in the US but didn't seem to get nearly as much panic and media coverage as this virus. One is left to wonder what was the real difference in 2009's N1H1 virus and this one... I have to wonder if the difference was that in 2009 we had just finished a presidential election and this time we are getting close to one.

That is certainly part of it. What I haven't been able to figure out is what made the media and governments around the world create the same panic.

 

[GoofGoof]

That’s not the point at all. The government shut nothing down. they cycled through all attractions and some were inspected before reopening.

Besides this has nothing to do with natural disasters, not sure why you brought fires and earthquakes up.

The government forcing “non-essential” businesses to close should not be allowed imho. Altering how they can conduct business (drive thru / take out only, etc.) is one thing, but forcing all in a state to close is over stepping and it sets a very dangerous precedent.

I see no difference between a natural disaster and a disease like this. Both are states of emergency. Both require the government to step in and force people to do something that’s in their best interest.

 

[Patcheslee]

I see your point. Testing would still get most but not all carriers. It would still dramatically reduce a potential relapse.

Then they would have to quarantine the whole plane and crew if even a single person tested positive because they may have been exposed and gotten it during flight. It definitely wouldn't be a risk I'd want to take before vacation "I'll either be at my vacation spot or quarantined for 2 weeks?"