Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

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RobbinsDad

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My arm was out on February and March. Can’t wait for my booster.

I also want everyone else to get vaccinated. But I also feel attacking and insulting them probably won’t get that accomplished.
No attacks or insults needed. Simple ostracization will do.

No access to the workplace. No air travel. No access to public transportation or buildings. Higher costs for healthcare. It may be your choice but your choice has societal and monetary consequences.
 

havoc315

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If the increase is related to the removal of mitigations then why would it be relevant to the US since we don’t currently have mitigations most places so we won’t be removing a lot of mitigations. The exercise was to compare the arc from the delta variant outbreak in India and the UK to what could be the arc in the US. I would say they are 2 unrelated events for the UK.

But that's the point -- Many are looking at the UK and claiming that it is evidence of some sort of 45-50 day curve. But once they removed mitigation, and became far more like the US....... That 45-50 day arc no longer is necessarily valid.

In other words, we can't use the UK as any sort of model of what to expect in the US where we have lower vaccination and where we already were lacking most of the mitigation.
 

lazyboy97o

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You assume im advocating for not getting vaxed. On the contrary im advocating for us to move on to stop hiding in fear and panic. Anyone not vaxed in the usa by now doesn't want to be for whatever reason. They put themselves at risk. Eventually herd immunity will be a thing until than. Why do we all need to wear masks? Because some people wont get the vax? Its there bed there laying in. With all the consequences it comes with. To be fair i also dont think the goverment should mandate things. Because the goverments role is to be a handmaiden between citizen's. But alass that is a rabbit hole.
It might not be their bed. They may be laying in the bed of a vaccinated person who needs care.
 

GoofGoof

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Still the same…

…the predictions are no decline anytime soon in the US.

the vaccine “wall” isn’t begin enough to cause a natural barrier.

too much…too soon…same story since day 1
India had much less vaccination than the US and the cases went up and then came down. Pretty standard arc. I have no idea when that will happen here but I’m not sure how people are confident cases just won’t go back down again. It defies the way this virus has spread since the beginning. It’s possible that we will see cases drop in some areas that ramped up sooner like FL but cases still increasing in areas that were behind ramping up. That’s a timing difference regionally.
 

Disney Experience

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NYT paywall.. but you can still listen to podcast without creating account.

Podcast interview of American Airlines CEO on their decision to not require vaccination of employees. ( They do incentives only). ( United, Delta, Frontier and others are requiring vaccination ).

 

wdisney9000

Truindenashendubapreser
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How are Iceland’s hospital numbers?
I simply presented the data in response to a prior post claiming that the unvaccinated are to blame for everything. I am not against people getting vaccinated. If the mathematics offend you there's nothing I can help you with.

It's interesting that you bring up hospital numbers though. There are now dozens of videos circulating of people entering hospitals that were claimed to be completely full with covid patients yet they are nearly empty. Also videos of people entering test sites that were claimed to be backed up for hours and there was nobody there at all.

There are even several hospitals that have gone on to Facebook to report that the media claiming they are full and cannot take new patients was false. The last one I read was in Kentucky I believe. The local media channel had reported that they were overwhelmed with children covid patients but the hospital went to Facebook to post that the children being admitted were for RSV, not covid. They also posted that they had plenty of room available. They also stated that the RSV cases were more than likely from a lack of exposure during last year and now they are seeing 18 months of RSV cases all at once due to children not having proper exposure and being locked down.

Please note that this is absolutely not an anti-vaccination post. Just showing that there is clear information that we're not being given 100% accurate information all of the time. I have no doubt there are hospitals that are overwhelmed. But there are also reports that are false. People should keep an open mind that's all I'm saying.
 

havoc315

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Please provide their hospitalization statistics

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We know hospitalizations lag cases. So with cases just starting to increase again over the week, we are seeing that hospitalizations are no longer dropping, and possible are starting to inch back up. If cases continue to rise, then we can expect continued hospitalization increses.
 

GoofGoof

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But that's the point -- Many are looking at the UK and claiming that it is evidence of some sort of 45-50 day curve. But once they removed mitigation, and became far more like the US....... That 45-50 day arc no longer is necessarily valid.

In other words, we can't use the UK as any sort of model of what to expect in the US where we have lower vaccination and where we already were lacking most of the mitigation.
Many are looking at the arcs this virus has experienced since day 1. Here, UK, India, whatever country you look at. Cases go up and cases go down and it’s generally a 3 month arc.
 

TrainsOfDisney

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If the mathematics offend you there's nothing I can help you with.
I’m not offended by “the mathematics” - but they prove that high vaccine numbers do work in Iceland. Yes there will still be breakthrough cases, but if people aren’t dying and filling up the hospitals that’s the whole point!
 

RobbinsDad

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India had much less vaccination than the US and the cases went up and then came down. Pretty standard arc. I have no idea when that will happen here but I’m not sure how people are confident cases just won’t go back down again. It defies the way this virus has spread since the beginning. It’s possible that we will see cases drop in some areas that ramped up sooner like FL but cases still increasing in areas that were behind ramping up. That’s a timing difference regionally.
Delta looks like it might peak faster than the origin strain, but its impact hits harder. I think the main concern with Delta is how long the vaccine wall will hold up. Right now it's passing the test but Delta, more so than the other variants, is constantly trying to break through.
 

DisneyDebRob

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After Hours events are different from the holiday parties.

Different experience, different capacity, different offering.

Whether or not it's worth it is a matter of personal opinion, but Boo Bash is not a modified Halloween party, it's a different event.
I understand it’s a totally different event. I also understand it is worth it to some people. The only point I was making is the big increase in price for lower hours and a lot less offerings that will be going on COMPARED to the Halloween party.
If you think it’s worth it, got for it! Just pointing things out.🙂
Now back to Covid.
 

TrainsOfDisney

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The last one I read was in Kentucky I believe. The local media channel had reported that they were overwhelmed with children covid patients but the hospital went to Facebook to post that the children being admitted were for RSV, not covid. They also posted that they had plenty of room available. They also stated that the RSV cases were more than likely from a lack of exposure during last year and now they are seeing 18 months of RSV cases all at once due to children not having proper exposure and being locked down.
Do you have a link to this? I did a google search and it came up empty.
 

GoofGoof

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Delta looks like it might peak faster than the origin strain, but its impact hits harder. I think the main concern with Delta is how long the vaccine wall will hold up. Right now it's passing the test but Delta, more so than the other variants, is constantly trying to break through.
I agree with that. It seems to grow faster than previous strains but then crash down fast too. At least based on India and the UK. In Israel the growth has been slower but that may be due to them having more adults vaccinated. It’s hard to draw firm conclusions on how the US will react. For example if cases in FL were to peak and start to drop but TX is still growing and is joined by IL or NY or PA or some other combo of larger states the National cases may not drop.
 

wdisney9000

Truindenashendubapreser
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Do you have a link to this? I did a google search and it came up empty.
Here's the link. And please keep in mind that the local media had reported that this hospital was overwhelmed and not able to admit new patients especially children thus causing completely unnecessary panic in their community.

Luckily the hospital was able to inform its community that there was no need for alarm. For many of these news media outlets it's not about reporting the facts it's just about reporting it first. and that's what is a shame and continues to drive panic

 
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correcaminos

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You assume im advocating for not getting vaxed. On the contrary im advocating for us to move on to stop hiding in fear and panic. Anyone not vaxed in the usa by now doesn't want to be for whatever reason. They put themselves at risk. Eventually herd immunity will be a thing until than. Why do we all need to wear masks? Because some people wont get the vax? Its there bed there laying in. With all the consequences it comes with. To be fair i also dont think the goverment should mandate things. Because the goverments role is to be a handmaiden between citizen's. But alass that is a rabbit hole.
No, I am going off of your statement that you made. My medical worker loved ones really do care who is vaxxed as it absolutely matters to their jobs what others do. Wasn't remarking on if you are or not. Someone not vaccinating absolutely affects those in hospital and care settings. You might ignore it, but they can't. A few friends in hot spots are begging people to vaccinate. I know one who just left care settings because it was too much and moved to teaching instead. It does affect them.

Governments mandate a lot. People keep forgetting how many rules and laws we have. Rules for vaccinating already exist. Pretending it isn't a reality now leads to poor arguments.
 

SamusAranX

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We know hospitalizations lag cases. So with cases just starting to increase again over the week, we are seeing that hospitalizations are no longer dropping, and possible are starting to inch back up. If cases continue to rise, then we can expect continued hospitalization increses.
My point is that we are always gonna have cases even with majority of the population of a specific area vaccinated. Covid is here to stay. What we want to keep at bay or to a minimum is the long covid, hospital stays, and deaths. Otherwise we will forever be locked in a vicious cycle and if we just go by case numbers; and again I reiterate, in highly vaccinated areas.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

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India had much less vaccination than the US and the cases went up and then came down. Pretty standard arc. I have no idea when that will happen here but I’m not sure how people are confident cases just won’t go back down again. It defies the way this virus has spread since the beginning. It’s possible that we will see cases drop in some areas that ramped up sooner like FL but cases still increasing in areas that were behind ramping up. That’s a timing difference regionally.
Is it time to swallow that the predictions have been pretty accurate since the start???

the severity is a range and the exact data falls on the plot…but they’ve been pretty good about the trends.

even if people wise the hell up and start pounding vaccines again (why that didn’t happen 3-4 weeks ago is beyond common sense)…the curve is still a six week timeline to shakeout.
 
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