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Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

ImperfectPixie

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Didnt CDC just indicate that delta is significantly more transmissable - as easily as chicken pox - even among the vaccinated? So what is there to explain? Highly transmissable virus even among the vaccinated + very limited land mass…it shouldn’t bw surprising. Vaccine doesn’t eliminate transmissability - it reduces symptoms and prevents hospitalization and death.
Yes. The vaccines took a small hit to their ability to prevent initial infection, but basically lost the ability to prevent transmission from a vaccinated person who develops an active infection. They are holding fairly steady in their ability to prevent severe illness, hospitalization and death.
 

Lilofan

Well-Known Member
Lol yeah and I live in the south. No one here took this thing serious ever. It’s honestly hilarious to me how people call it a lockdown but I’m tired of arguing with people so I just call it that.
If you are referring to the Deep South, there is no surprise these states lead in categories no one wants to lead in.
 

Touchdown

Well-Known Member
*In an effort to follow the board ops rules in the mask thread, I’m moving this discussion here*


"Antibody-dependent enhancement of virus infection and disease - PubMed" https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12725690/
Nubs I don’t know why you keep posting this article from 2003. It has nothing to do with Covid and is only a discussion of a rare disease outcome, and most importantly is not happening with Covid. If it was vaccinated people would be getting much sicker then unvaccinated people, and this is clearly not happening.
 

Heppenheimer

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*In an effort to follow the board ops rules in the mask thread, I’m moving this discussion here*



Nubs I don’t know why you keep posting this article from 2003. It has nothing to do with Covid and is only a discussion of a rare disease outcome, and most importantly is not happening with Covid. If it was vaccinated people would be getting much sicker then unvaccinated people, and this is clearly not happening.
The never-released RSV vaccine and a few other vaccine candidates that did not make it past early stage trials were associated with VAERD (vaccines-associated enhanced respiratory disease"). This phenomenon was neither observed in the clinical trials for the COVID-19 vaccines nor after hundreds of millions of people have received the same vaccination. VAERD is a concern during the clinical trials for any new vaccine, but we have absolutely overwhelming evidence that this is not happening with COVID-19. Time to put that issue to bed permanently for COVID-19. Continuing to bring it up now is nothing but anti-vaxxer misinformation and fear-mongering.
 

Touchdown

Well-Known Member
Some mild good news, it looks like some of the antivax pig headedness is breaking in the face of obvious direct evidence their position is stupid.

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corsairk09

Active Member
Mandatory vaccinations already exist in the USA for children to enter the school system. It is done for public health to eliminate such diseases as measles, mumps, rubella, diphtheria, tetanus, pertussis, polio, rabies, hepatitis B, rotavirus, haemophilus, influenza type B and tuberculosis.

There is no valid reason not to make the COVID-19 vaccine compulsory.
But you don’t have to go to public school … can go to private or be home schooled. Even if u go to public school, you can EASILY get exemptions. There are no mandatory vaccine laws in the US
 

lazyboy97o

Well-Known Member
But you don’t have to go to public school … can go to private or be home schooled. Even if u go to public school, you can EASILY get exemptions. There are no mandatory vaccine laws in the US
Private schools and day cares are typically required to follow the same vaccine requirements as public schools. For the overwhelming majority of people school vaccines are effectively a mandatory requirement.
 

Touchdown

Well-Known Member
But you don’t have to go to public school … can go to private or be home schooled. Even if u go to public school, you can EASILY get exemptions. There are no mandatory vaccine laws in the US
The military has mandatory vaccinations.

Most health care workers are mandated to get a flu vaccine as a condition of employment.

I fully expect most companies will mandate the Covid vaccine in the very near future.
 

corsairk09

Active Member
The military has mandatory vaccinations.

Most health care workers are mandated to get a flu vaccine as a condition of employment.

I fully expect most companies will mandate the Covid vaccine in the very near future.
Correct. I don’t have a problem with them doing so. Just making the point that all of those scenarios are VERY different from a federal law mandating that all citizens get vaccinated.
 

Chomama

Well-Known Member
Hey, I predicted that Delta would be well timed to blow up as kids were returning to school! Florida decided to get an early start, but for the rest of the country, I'm unfortunately still on target.

From June 13th
Actually you are correct for florida and the south too. School starts in ten days
 

crawale

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So whi
Because the vaccinated are trying to help others as well as themselves. For example, if vaccinated doctors and nurses go to work in a children's hospital, I would want them to wear a mask to prevent any asymptomatic spread of the virus to children. Children who cannot get vaccinated at this time and in some cases, their parents won't allow them to get vaccinated.
If there is anyone left unvaccinated then everyone has to wear a mask - that's what you are saying. There will always be people who are not vaccinated - in fact those that have acquired natural immunity by surviving COVID. At what point do we say that people have the right to choose for themselves? Children who have an extremely low rate of serious illness if they contract COVID - all my grandsons have had COVID - ages 11 thru 7 - have a risk of getting heart problems from the vaccine - that is why the U.K will not recommend under 18s get the vaccine. Are you not curious as to why the government never includes those COVID survivors with immunity with the vaccinated? If your body has produced natural immunity you do not need the vaccine.
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
Didnt CDC just indicate that delta is significantly more transmissable - as easily as chicken pox - even among the vaccinated? So what is there to explain? Highly transmissable virus even among the vaccinated + very limited land mass…it shouldn’t bw surprising. Vaccine doesn’t eliminate transmissability - it reduces symptoms and prevents hospitalization and death.
Yes, a vaccinated person who has a symptomatic breakthrough infection is contagious and can spread Covid just like an unvaccinated person. However, it is still a somewhat rare occurrence that a fully vaccinated person has a symptomatic breakthrough infection in the first place. The vaccine efficacy is still around 88% at preventing symptomatic infection (down from 95% in the original trial). So the more people you have vaccinated the less community spread you should have. My guess is similar to other parts of the country the overwhelming majority of infections in Hawaii are among the unvaccinated so their spread has little to do with breakthrough infections. They have a higher vaccination rate but not high enough to avoid community spread.

I think what we are learning with delta is that we need much higher levels of immunity due to the virus being more contagious. Hopefully the combination of full FDA approval in a few weeks along with the situation on the ground in places like FL and many large corporations starting to require vaccination will jump start the vaccination efforts. It would be great to see the US get to 80%+ fully vaccinated. I fear in some places that will never happen but they will eventually get to immunity the hard way:(
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
So whi

If there is anyone left unvaccinated then everyone has to wear a mask - that's what you are saying. There will always be people who are not vaccinated - in fact those that have acquired natural immunity by surviving COVID. At what point do we say that people have the right to choose for themselves? Children who have an extremely low rate of serious illness if they contract COVID - all my grandsons have had COVID - ages 11 thru 7 - have a risk of getting heart problems from the vaccine - that is why the U.K will not recommend under 18s get the vaccine. Are you not curious as to why the government never includes those COVID survivors with immunity with the vaccinated? If your body has produced natural immunity you do not need the vaccine.
So it sounds like what you are saying is everyone should be required to get the vaccine so that nobody is required to wear a mask. Problem solved 😎
 

Touchdown

Well-Known Member
FYI: Aventhealth is at Black status so preventing hospitalizations doesn't work when you are NOT vaccinated.

21K new cases yesterday per CDC, 2nd highest number ever. Hospitals are in for a rough time, as peak hospitalizations trail new cases by 1-2 weeks. I hope Florida peaks soon.
 
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Disney Experience

Well-Known Member
Yes, a vaccinated person who has a symptomatic breakthrough infection is contagious and can spread Covid just like an unvaccinated person. However, it is still a somewhat rare occurrence that a fully vaccinated person has a symptomatic breakthrough infection in the first place. The vaccine efficacy is still around 88% at preventing symptomatic infection (down from 95% in the original trial). So the more people you have vaccinated the less community spread you should have. My guess is similar to other parts of the country the overwhelming majority of infections in Hawaii are among the unvaccinated so their spread has little to do with breakthrough infections. They have a higher vaccination rate but not high enough to avoid community spread.

I think what we are learning with delta is that we need much higher levels of immunity due to the virus being more contagious. Hopefully the combination of full FDA approval in a few weeks along with the situation on the ground in places like FL and many large corporations starting to require vaccination will jump start the vaccination efforts. It would be great to see the US get to 80%+ fully vaccinated. I fear in some places that will never happen but they will eventually get to immunity the hard way:(
The paper on the Phase 3 Pfizer study shows a 3% efficacy loss per month since full vaccination ( it is analysis of phase 3 data through April or so) . Therefore those who were vaccinated in January 2021 will have about 82% efficacy vs original covid but someone vaccinated in June should have 92% efficacy vs original. Assuming linearity holds in loss of efficacy over time.

For those who missed the earlier link/post:
 

crawale

Well-Known Member
So it sounds like what you are saying is everyone should be required to get the vaccine so that nobody is required to wear a mask. Problem solved 😎
Not at all. It should be everyone's choice to get the vaccine or not. I am wondering why there is no acknowledgment of the people who have achieved natural immunity by surviving COVID. I have no problem with people who want to wear half a dozen masks - just why do they want to impose their will on others?
 

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