Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[mmascari]

If they really want to drive it with cash, they need a decreasing reward, not getting better the longer you wait.

Give everyone who started vaccination by 7/31 or 8/7 $500. Payable only when you’ve completed all doses. Then reduce it $100 (or $50 if you’re being generous) every week. Keep going after $0, charge people who wait longer a tax penalty, maybe $1,000 max. If you get 15 weeks of ignoring this, you’re already lost.

Carrot, follow through incentive, and stick all in one. With a sense of urgency built in. We would see vaccinations spike the first two weeks.

 

[dreday3]

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How many hospitals are in their system?

 

[Lilofan]

I feel like... it's a $100, I'm not crying that I won't get it. If it gets shots in arms, I'm alright with it.

Let's get this done.

If a certain media company that has a news show and the former POTUS can band together and give out a powerful uplifting message to to the unvaccinated to get shots in arms , it may trigger more to do the right thing for themselves and for everyone around them. At this point any idea can be an idea to get shots in arms.

 

[lisa12000]

Internal cdc docs
1) “the war has changed”
2) delta is as transmissible as the chicken pox
3) acknowledges their own communication/messaging issues
4) this new variant is basically a sh-t storm

Although delta is a pain in the some of these comments by them seem a little hyperbolic.

yes delta does rip through communities, it is more transmissible (but as transmissible as chicken pox?!) but if the vaccinated get it it’s the same symptoms as a summer cold (runny nose, sore throat and sneezing) abd our PHE seem to suggest that the vaccinated aren’t as transmissible.

for the unvaccinated yes it can be nasty but we are generally finding that people are spending less time in hospital, less time on oxygen and much less likely to be on a ventilator. Now a lot of that may be due to age profile but this will be the same in the US. We had 800 odd admissions in england today yet our hospital numbers actually went down - showing the turnover of people in hospital is much more fluid.

vaccines are effective against it, low vaccine communities are getting hit hard, but it seems to rise very very quickly in places then start to drop off as quickly. We have had the ripple effect where certain regions have been hit and then it’s dropped off quickly and moved on elsewhere

fact is, unfortunately, masks may slow down the spread a little but it won’t stop it. When delta first hit the uk we were still under social distancing and mask mandates and nightclubs etc were closed - it still spread like wildfire especially in high density living areas - it will run its course unfortunately and other than totally locking down that’s what will happen

good thing is though that healthcare wise we are currently fine in terms of covid patients. We currently in england have just over 5000 patient with a positive covid test in hospital - although a quarter of those went in for other reasons and then tested positive added admission (official figures released today) so around 3700 with covid as main reason for admission - and we are averaging 50 deaths a day (not minimising this) - that’s with cases high for weeks and weeks now - unfortunately this is just one that needs riding out in my opinion and you just have to a manage your own risk

We opened up everything as our cases went up and we weee told to expect over 100,000 a day within weeks - not happening right now thank goodness

 

[BuddyThomas]

If they really want to drive it with cash, they need a decreasing reward, not getting better the longer you wait.

Give everyone who started vaccination by 7/31 or 8/7 $500. Payable only when you’ve completed all doses. Then reduce it $100 (or $50 if you’re being generous) every week. Keep going after $0, charge people who wait longer a tax penalty, maybe $1,000 max. If you get 15 weeks of ignoring this, you’re already lost.

Carrot, follow through incentive, and stick all in one. With a sense of urgency built in. We would see vaccinations spike the first two weeks.

That’s a really good idea.

 

[DisneyFan32]

White House won't rule out future lockdowns, school closures if CDC says so

 

[ImperfectPixie]

Although delta is a pain in the *** some of these comments by them seem a little hyperbolic.

yes delta does rip through communities, it is more transmissible (but as transmissible as chicken pox?!) but if the vaccinated get it it’s the same symptoms as a summer cold (runny nose, sore throat and sneezing) abd our PHE seem to suggest that the vaccinated aren’t as transmissible.

for the unvaccinated yes it can be nasty but we are generally finding that people are spending less time in hospital, less time on oxygen and much less likely to be on a ventilator. Now a lot of that may be due to age profile but this will be the same in the US. We had 800 odd admissions in england today yet our hospital numbers actually went down - showing the turnover of people in hospital is much more fluid.

vaccines are effective against it, low vaccine communities are getting hit hard, but it seems to rise very very quickly in places then start to drop off as quickly. We have had the ripple effect where certain regions have been hit and then it’s dropped off quickly and moved on elsewhere

fact is, unfortunately, masks may slow down the spread a little but it won’t stop it. When delta first hit the uk we were still under social distancing and mask mandates and nightclubs etc were closed - it still spread like wildfire especially in high density living areas - it will run its course unfortunately and other than totally locking down that’s what will happen

good thing is though that healthcare wise we are currently fine in terms of covid patients. We currently in england have just over 5000 patient with a positive covid test in hospital - although a quarter of those went in for other reasons and then tested positive added admission (official figures released today) so around 3700 with covid as main reason for admission - and we are averaging 50 deaths a day (not minimising this) - that’s with cases high for weeks and weeks now - unfortunately this is just one that needs riding out in my opinion and you just have to a manage your own risk

We opened up everything as our cases went up and we weee told to expect over 100,000 a day within weeks - not happening right now thank goodness

Read the CDC document.

https://context-cdn.washingtonpost.com/notes/prod/default/documents/8a726408-07bd-46bd-a945-3af0ae2f3c37/note/57c98604-3b54-44f0-8b44-b148d8f75165.#page=1

 

[DCBaker]

How many hospitals are in their system?

"AdventHealth’s Central Florida Division encompasses more than 20 hospitals and ERs in the seven counties in and surrounding metro Orlando."

 

[dreday3]

Internal cdc docs
1) “the war has changed”
2) delta is as transmissible as the chicken pox
3) acknowledges their own communication/messaging issues
4) this new variant is basically a sh-t storm

This is VERY BAD.

Delta just re-wrote the rules entirely.

Read the CDC document.

https://context-cdn.washingtonpost.com/notes/prod/default/documents/8a726408-07bd-46bd-a945-3af0ae2f3c37/note/57c98604-3b54-44f0-8b44-b148d8f75165.#page=1

So what I'm reading from your posts - basically my vaccination is crap and we're all screwed. That's the message your posts are saying. Is this true? Because then screw it all, we're all done for.

When everyone speaks with hyperbole, everyone loses.

 

[dreday3]

"AdventHealth’s Central Florida Division encompasses more than 20 hospitals and ERs in the seven counties in and surrounding metro Orlando."

Thank you!

 

[Chomama]

So what I'm reading from your posts - basically my vaccination is crap and we're all screwed. That's the message your posts are saying. Is this true?

When everyone speaks with hyperbole, everyone loses.

I literally just shared what was in the article. Your vaccination isn’t crap. It clearly says you can still get infected. You are very unlikely to become seriously ill. Like basically won’t happen. However the vaccine doesn’t stop you from getting delta or transmitting it. So on an individual level you are fine. Globally we need to vaccinate a lot more people to slow this thing down. If I was an unvaccinated person I would be avoiding leaving my house for the moment.

 

[GoofGoof]

So what I'm reading from your posts - basically my vaccination is crap and we're all screwed. That's the message your posts are saying. Is this true? Because then screw it all, we're all done for.

When everyone speaks with hyperbole, everyone loses.

No not true. The vaccines are still highly effective. The CDC director in her prepared comments said that vaccinated people having a high enough viral load to be contagious is still a very rare event. Fauci reiterated that too in numerous interviews. It’s rare but does happen. We cannot start losing our minds over rare events. The vaccines are our only way out. Vaccine or bust.

Direct quote from Fauci:
"But what has changed, Judy, is, the virus has changed… when people get breakthrough infections, when they’re vaccinated and they get infected, even when they have a situation where they don’t have an advanced disease, they clearly can transmit it to other people," he said. "This is not a common event. So I don’t want people to be thinking that all kinds of vaccinated people are transmitting it. No, it’s a very unusual, rare event, but it occurs."

‘The CDC didn’t change’: Anthony Fauci defends flip-flop accusations after shifting mask guidance

Top health official insists says he understands why public may feel a ‘little whipsawed’

news.yahoo.com

 

[lisa12000]

Read the CDC document.

https://context-cdn.washingtonpost.com/notes/prod/default/documents/8a726408-07bd-46bd-a945-3af0ae2f3c37/note/57c98604-3b54-44f0-8b44-b148d8f75165.#page=1

I’ve read it - I’m just giving real life experience from the UK and also what our PHE have said (I’ll try and find a document for you) - surely first hand accounts of a country that has been through what you are currently starting and hopefully coming out the the end (again hopefully there may be bumps) are worth listening to as well?

this is our dashboard

UKHSA data dashboard

Showing public health data across England

coronavirus.data.gov.uk

If you can access it the peaks and troughs for the waves are very very different - vaccines work, and are the primary reason delta will be defeated not other NPIs that may just slow it down a little - without getting vaccinations up unfortunately people will get immunity the hard way - that’s delta for you

 

[dreday3]

No not true. The vaccines are still highly effective. The CDC director in her prepared comments said that vaccinated people having a high enough viral load to be contagious is still a very rare event. Fauci reiterated that too in numerous interviews. It’s rare but does happen. We cannot start losing our minds over rare events. The vaccines are our only way out. Vaccine or bust.

Absolutely, I completely get it. I just don't like seeing "the sky is falling" posts that will discourage people even more, or make people think vaccines won't matter.

I understand the sentiment behind it, but in reality, it doesn't help.

 

[mmascari]

So what I'm reading from your posts - basically my vaccination is crap and we're all screwed. That's the message your posts are saying. Is this true? Because then screw it all, we're all done for.

When everyone speaks with hyperbole, everyone loses.

Your vaccine is still great. Still not a force field. But, you’re more likely to pass it on. Still good for you, but not as good at the group project.

A quote they stood out:


▪ Vaccines prevent >90% of severe disease, but may be less effective at preventing
infection or transmission
– Therefore, more breakthrough and more community spread despite
vaccination

 

[lazyboy97o]

How many hospitals are in their system?

More than 10 just around Orlando, including Celebration Health which is where Reedy Creek Emergency Services typically takes people needing care.

AdventHealth Locations

Find your next job in health care at one of AdventHealth’s over 300 facilities in the United States.

careers.adventhealth.com

 

[GoofGoof]

Absolutely, I completely get it. I just don't like seeing "the sky is falling" posts that will discourage people even more, or make people think vaccines won't matter.

I understand the sentiment behind it, but in reality, it doesn't help.

Agreed. Fauci said it best. This is not a common event, it’s a very rare and unusual event but can happen. We need to keep it in that context.

 

[GoofGoof]

Your vaccine is still great. Still not a force field. But, you’re more likely to pass it on. Still good for you, but not as good at the group project.

A quote they stood out:


▪ Vaccines prevent >90% of severe disease, but may be less effective at preventing
infection or transmission
– Therefore, more breakthrough and more community spread despite
vaccination

How much more if it’s a rare occurrence?

 

[Jedijax719]

Vaccinations turn your cells into antibody factories (for the given virus). The virus can still slip into your body just as easily as it could before (since vaccinations do not prevent that). Likewise, they could slip past the ab's and into cells. However, as long as your body created lots of antibodies, the viruses that are produced upon replication will mainly be stopped before damage is done. Before vaccinations (or in unvaccinated people) the virus is on freefall. Vaccinations produce a heavy surveillance system.

If, however, a vaccinated person is among many unvaccinated, unprotected people who, themselves, have been exposed, it greatly increases the chance of that vaccinated being exposed (or anyone for that matter) and would also increase the chance of that person getting sick from it. Viral load is a major factor in all of this. That is why it is SO important for unvaccinated people to continue to wear masks if possible. Groups of vaccinated people together have an EXTREMELY small chance of spreading it between each other and an even smaller chance of getting sick from it.

In schools, it's going to be, um, interesting in the fall. Not sure about everywhere, but in Texas, there won't be any COVID-19 mandates for masks or social distancing. In some places, districts won't be allowed to force exposed or even COVID positive kids to stay home. On top of that, classes are going to be loaded to the brim in the fall.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

So what I'm reading from your posts - basically my vaccination is crap and we're all screwed. That's the message your posts are saying. Is this true? Because then screw it all, we're all done for.

When everyone speaks with hyperbole, everyone loses.

I'm not being hyperbolic. Delta is worse than I originally thought.

Those who are vaccinated still have excellent protection against severe illness, hospitalization, and death, but the protection against initial infection has taken a hit from Delta. Delta also appears to result in more severe illness for those who have NOT been vaccinated. Combine these 2 factors with Delta also being able to be spread by people who are vaccinated and the fact that it is contagious prior to the spreader being symptomatic, and those who haven't gotten their shots yet are in a really bad spot. (AND that Delta spreads like chicken pox.)