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Statistics says the reverse is true from a quantified risk perspective.
This is an emotional reaction based on a faulty premise. You feel more in control of the mask and the distance. This control gives you the sensation that you’re having a larger impact on the risk reduction. A rare GBS reaction comes with no control, it feels random. The lack of control causes an emotional reaction that the risk is larger than it is. Combined, the emotional reaction is lowering the real risk of infection and increasing the GBS risk so they’re inverted. It feels super real, and scary, but it’s all a fake distortion of the actual risk. You can read all the stats you want and know which is more risky, but it’s the emotional reaction you need to overcome.
It’s the same reason some people are afraid to fly.
Cars: “38,680 people died in motor vehicle traffic crashes in 2020”
Planes: there were 299 fatalities in 2020, up from 257 in 2019.
Driving is quantifiably more dangerous than flying. Yet, people have a sense of control while driving, especially if the are in the drivers seat. When flying, they have no control at all.
It’s all an emotional reaction to the perceived control and risk impacts.
It takes effort, but all the data says the vaccine is less risky than everything else, by a huge enormous margin. Trust the data.
AEfx
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You mean, like the original projections were - before the White House and CDC did an about face and gambled our health on a poorly thought-out marketing campaign advertising with fancy infographics "RIP THAT MASK OFF....(if you are vaccinated)"
As some of us warned at the time, it was way too soon to get rid of mitigations. Just because people "were just over it!" wasn't a good enough reason. And now we are paying the price - this is starting all over again.
UNCgolf
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Your chance of having a serious case of Covid is still much higher than getting GBS from a vaccine, though.
It's one of those things where if you're concerned about getting that from a vaccine, you really shouldn't ever be getting in a car -- the chances of you being seriously injured or killed in a car accident are astronomical compared to getting GBS from a Covid vaccine.
DisneyFan32
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I'm still waiting until Holiday season aka Thanksgiving and Christmas as the millions of people will be fully vaccinated as possible by December so it will may not going to be massive wave of surges in USA anymore as possible. Federal Mandate will be lift restrictions such as masks and social distancing for trains, buses and planes (September 13th) for the holiday season for USA.
So we just randomly mitigate until 2022?
The majority of un vaccinated are not changing their mind.
What’s your end game?
DisneyFan32
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And I don't want restrictions even back longer as soon. I don't want it back. I'm fully vaccinated.
LittleBuford
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I'm sorry you're having such a tough time of it. I have OCD and know how it feels to worry about things that may seen incredibly unlikely to others. But please rest assured that you made the only sensible decision by getting the vaccine. The science tells us that the risks of remaining unvaccinated far outweigh those you are worrying about. I hope, in a few weeks' time, you'll feel better.
DisneyFan32
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Ah leave it alone guys. we don't want mitigate even longer until 2022? WE WANT END THE PANDEMIC BY END OF THE YEAR!
Heppenheimer
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If you were going to get Guillan-Barre syndrome, it would have happened by now. Rest assured.
EDIT: The miniscule chance that you would develop GBS approaches zero the farther you go out. At 42 days, you're effectively out of the window.
You have a far more likely chance of developing GBS everytime you eat improperly prepared food. Most cases, by far, are the result of a gastrointestinal infection. The risk from any vaccine is several orders of magnitude lower. You should be far more worried about eating at a restaurant.
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TrainsOfDisney
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I agree with everything you said. But try to convince my mind of that!
FDA warnings and the labels are super conservative. Even very small things are called out. You would never take any medication again if you read every label and gave a large value to the low risk rare scenarios. If you researched how new stuff is compared to old stuff and then looked at how the old baselines 30 years ago were created, you would be amazed the baseline drug is used at all.
A perception problem. No matter how good you are doing, the risk of GBS is still smaller, way way WAY smaller.
TrainsOfDisney
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I’m still within 42 days.
Polkadotdress
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I lived there once upon a time!
Flugell
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Having watched the terrifying adverts for common over the counter medicines on American television, I doubt if they can!!!
Well if you looks at our case number there is no reason for us to have to mitigate like other areas of the country.
Heppenheimer
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I caught a bad case of diarrhea this week (hint, don't let dogs who eat their own poop give you kisses...). I currently have a far greater risk of catching GBS than you.
DisneyCane
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I didn't say they were "about the same." I was pointing out the increases since 6/1 in multiples of cases. FL started at a higher level on 6/1 so 5x FL is still more cases per 100k than 6x CA. I was speculating that it is within the realm of possibility that this wave reaches the same level in cases per 100k as a peak but FL reaches the peak faster.
The CA numbers illustrate the ridiculousness of the narrative that "if we had just done the right thing last summer everywhere, COVID would have been gone." CA "followed the science" and has had pretty high vaccine acceptance yet cases are still increasing at a pretty high rate.
SourcererMark79
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I grew up in Naperville when the population was around 40k. Crazy how things have changed since the 80s.
DisneyCane
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If the localities that are releasing the unvaccinated vs. vaccinated numbers are falsifying to promote vaccination then they are doing a terrible disservice because their numbers give people like me the ammunition to say that if you are fully vaccinated, you are fine. If that data is inaccurate, it may be the worst falsehood anybody has told during the entire pandemic.
IF it somehow turns out that protection from the vaccines doesn't even last six months, the best strategy is to let it rip through the unvaccinated population ASAP worldwide. Otherwise, there is no possibility of ever reaching herd immunity. Every booster required is going to end up with fewer people getting the shot. If they said that you need a booster in less than a year, I'd be shocked if more than 80% who are fully vaccinated get the booster. The alternative of mitigation forever isn't going to fly anywhere that isn't an authoritarian dictatorship that executes people for breaking protocol.
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