Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

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mmascari

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I’ve been out in the world more than ever this week for work and I’m going to be completely honest... I’m more stressed about possibly developing GBS from the vaccine than I was about catching covid while wearing a mask and being distanced before.
Statistics says the reverse is true from a quantified risk perspective.

This is an emotional reaction based on a faulty premise. You feel more in control of the mask and the distance. This control gives you the sensation that you’re having a larger impact on the risk reduction. A rare GBS reaction comes with no control, it feels random. The lack of control causes an emotional reaction that the risk is larger than it is. Combined, the emotional reaction is lowering the real risk of infection and increasing the GBS risk so they’re inverted. It feels super real, and scary, but it’s all a fake distortion of the actual risk. You can read all the stats you want and know which is more risky, but it’s the emotional reaction you need to overcome.

It’s the same reason some people are afraid to fly.

Cars: “38,680 people died in motor vehicle traffic crashes in 2020”
Planes: there were 299 fatalities in 2020, up from 257 in 2019.

Driving is quantifiably more dangerous than flying. Yet, people have a sense of control while driving, especially if the are in the drivers seat. When flying, they have no control at all.

It’s all an emotional reaction to the perceived control and risk impacts.

It takes effort, but all the data says the vaccine is less risky than everything else, by a huge enormous margin. Trust the data.
 

AEfx

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If they bring back mitigation’s except them to be in place until the middle of 2022.

You mean, like the original projections were - before the White House and CDC did an about face and gambled our health on a poorly thought-out marketing campaign advertising with fancy infographics "RIP THAT MASK OFF....(if you are vaccinated)"

As some of us warned at the time, it was way too soon to get rid of mitigations. Just because people "were just over it!" wasn't a good enough reason. And now we are paying the price - this is starting all over again.
 

UNCgolf

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Well... tell the FDA to take the warning off of it.

I have extremely low chances of having a serious case of covid and I can help control my chances of catching covid to begin with - I was doing a very good job of that.

Your chance of having a serious case of Covid is still much higher than getting GBS from a vaccine, though.

It's one of those things where if you're concerned about getting that from a vaccine, you really shouldn't ever be getting in a car -- the chances of you being seriously injured or killed in a car accident are astronomical compared to getting GBS from a Covid vaccine.
 

DisneyFan32

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In the Parks
Yes
I'm still waiting until Holiday season aka Thanksgiving and Christmas as the millions of people will be fully vaccinated as possible by December so it will may not going to be massive wave of surges in USA anymore as possible. Federal Mandate will be lift restrictions such as masks and social distancing for trains, buses and planes (September 13th) for the holiday season for USA.
 

Trauma

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You mean, like the original projections were - before the White House and CDC did an about face and gambled our health on a poorly thought-out marketing campaign advertising with fancy infographics "RIP THAT MASK OFF....(if you are vaccinated)"

As some of us warned at the time, it was way too soon to get rid of mitigations. Just because people "were just over it!" wasn't a good enough reason. And now we are paying the price - this is starting all over again.
So we just randomly mitigate until 2022?

The majority of un vaccinated are not changing their mind.

What’s your end game?
 

DisneyFan32

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In the Parks
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You mean, like the original projections were - before the White House and CDC did an about face and gambled our health on a poorly thought-out marketing campaign advertising with fancy infographics "RIP THAT MASK OFF....(if you are vaccinated)"

As some of us warned at the time, it was way too soon to get rid of mitigations. Just because people "were just over it!" wasn't a good enough reason. And now we are paying the price - this is starting all over again.
And I don't want restrictions even back longer as soon. I don't want it back. I'm fully vaccinated.
 

LittleBuford

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I’m still within the 42 days that the FDA said.
I'm sorry you're having such a tough time of it. I have OCD and know how it feels to worry about things that may seen incredibly unlikely to others. But please rest assured that you made the only sensible decision by getting the vaccine. The science tells us that the risks of remaining unvaccinated far outweigh those you are worrying about. I hope, in a few weeks' time, you'll feel better.
 

DisneyFan32

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In the Parks
Yes
So we just randomly mitigate until 2022?

The majority of un vaccinated are not changing their mind.

What’s your end game?
Ah leave it alone guys. we don't want mitigate even longer until 2022? WE WANT END THE PANDEMIC BY END OF THE YEAR!:cool:
 

Heppenheimer

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Not sure why one concerns me more than the other. But I felt like I could help control not catching covid (like hiding in my basement according to some posters) - I asked for something that has now been linked to GBS. Mind Game I’m sure but it’s how I feel.
If you were going to get Guillan-Barre syndrome, it would have happened by now. Rest assured.

EDIT: The miniscule chance that you would develop GBS approaches zero the farther you go out. At 42 days, you're effectively out of the window.

You have a far more likely chance of developing GBS everytime you eat improperly prepared food. Most cases, by far, are the result of a gastrointestinal infection. The risk from any vaccine is several orders of magnitude lower. You should be far more worried about eating at a restaurant.
 
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TrainsOfDisney

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Statistics says the reverse is true from a quantified risk perspective.

This is an emotional reaction based on a faulty premise. You feel more in control of the mask and the distance. This control gives you the sensation that you’re having a larger impact on the risk reduction. A rare GBS reaction comes with no control, it feels random. The lack of control causes an emotional reaction that the risk is larger than it is. Combined, the emotional reaction is lowering the real risk of infection and increasing the GBS risk so they’re inverted. It feels super real, and scary, but it’s all a fake distortion of the actual risk. You can read all the stats you want and know which is more risky, but it’s the emotional reaction you need to overcome.

It’s the same reason some people are afraid to fly.

Cars: “38,680 people died in motor vehicle traffic crashes in 2020”
Planes: there were 299 fatalities in 2020, up from 257 in 2019.

Driving is quantifiably more dangerous than flying. Yet, people have a sense of control while driving, especially if the are in the drivers seat. When flying, they have no control at all.

It’s all an emotional reaction to the perceived control and risk impacts.

It takes effort, but all the data says the vaccine is less risky than everything else, by a huge enormous margin. Trust the data.
I agree with everything you said. But try to convince my mind of that! :p
 

mmascari

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Well... tell the FDA to take the warning off of it.
FDA warnings and the labels are super conservative. Even very small things are called out. You would never take any medication again if you read every label and gave a large value to the low risk rare scenarios. If you researched how new stuff is compared to old stuff and then looked at how the old baselines 30 years ago were created, you would be amazed the baseline drug is used at all.

I have extremely low chances of having a serious case of covid and I can help control my chances of catching covid to begin with - I was doing a very good job of that.
A perception problem. No matter how good you are doing, the risk of GBS is still smaller, way way WAY smaller.
 

DisneyCane

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It’s hard to read these as “about the same”.

StateDateNew Cases7-Day Moving Avg7-Day Case Rate per 100K
CaliforniaJul 23 20217,9843,95069.98
CaliforniaJul 22 20215,5773,41760.54
CaliforniaJul 21 20214933,20056.71
CaliforniaJul 20 20211,3903,70765.67
CaliforniaJul 19 20212,7643,83667.96
CaliforniaJul 18 20214,6593,79567.25
CaliforniaJul 17 20214,7833,57763.38
CaliforniaJul 16 20214,2553,36059.54
CaliforniaJul 15 20214,0623,23857.38
CaliforniaJul 14 20214,0363,13855.6
CaliforniaJul 13 20212,2932,93652.02
CaliforniaJul 12 20212,4822,82049.97
CaliforniaJul 11 20213,1322,70347.89
CaliforniaJul 10 20213,2652,54445.07
CaliforniaJul 9 20213,4012,38742.3
CaliforniaJul 8 20213,3592,19338.85
CaliforniaJul 7 20212,6211,99035.27
CaliforniaJul 6 20211,4851,89733.61
CaliforniaJul 5 20211,6601,85632.89
CaliforniaJul 4 20212,0171,77931.52
CaliforniaJul 3 20212,1691,68929.92
CaliforniaJul 2 20212,0401,58628.11
CaliforniaJul 1 20211,9431,47826.2
CaliforniaJun 30 20211,9681,39524.72
CaliforniaJun 29 20211,1981,32023.4
CaliforniaJun 28 20211,1191,26622.43
CaliforniaJun 27 20211,3871,22021.63
CaliforniaJun 26 20211,4511,16620.66
CaliforniaJun 25 20211,2861,11419.75
CaliforniaJun 24 20211,3571,09119.34
CaliforniaJun 23 20211,4471,05218.64
CaliforniaJun 22 20218161,01818.04
CaliforniaJun 21 20218011,00517.82
CaliforniaJun 20 20211,00799217.58
CaliforniaJun 19 20211,09097517.29
CaliforniaJun 18 20211,12295116.86
CaliforniaJun 17 20211,08493316.53
CaliforniaJun 16 20211,20993816.62
CaliforniaJun 15 202172892316.35
CaliforniaJun 14 202170591416.2
CaliforniaJun 13 202189291216.16
CaliforniaJun 12 202192291916.29
CaliforniaJun 11 202199294116.69
CaliforniaJun 10 20211,11895516.93
CaliforniaJun 9 20211,10598117.39
CaliforniaJun 8 202166891616.24
CaliforniaJun 7 202168991316.17
CaliforniaJun 6 202194190816.09
CaliforniaJun 5 20211,08090516.04
CaliforniaJun 4 20211,09089115.8
CaliforniaJun 3 20211,29888315.66
CaliforniaJun 2 202164986015.25
CaliforniaJun 1 202164495316.89


StateDateNew Cases7-Day Moving Avg7-Day Case Rate per 100K
FloridaJul 23 202114,25810,454340.73
FloridaJul 22 202113,2569,630313.87
FloridaJul 21 202112,6478,911290.45
FloridaJul 20 20218,9888,106264.21
FloridaJul 19 20218,0127,740252.28
FloridaJul 18 20218,0107,323238.69
FloridaJul 17 20218,0106,907225.12
FloridaJul 16 20218,4906,490211.54
FloridaJul 15 20218,2256,104198.97
FloridaJul 14 20217,0115,621183.21
FloridaJul 13 20216,4255,178168.77
FloridaJul 12 20215,0954,589149.58
FloridaJul 11 20215,0944,190136.57
FloridaJul 10 20215,0943,791123.57
FloridaJul 9 20215,7903,392110.57
FloridaJul 8 20214,8402,96696.69
FloridaJul 7 20213,9112,68787.6
FloridaJul 6 20212,3032,47680.71
FloridaJul 5 20212,3012,47880.79
FloridaJul 4 20212,3012,33776.18
FloridaJul 3 20212,3012,19571.56
FloridaJul 2 20212,8102,05366.93
FloridaJul 1 20212,8871,83959.94
FloridaJun 30 20212,4321,69455.22
FloridaJun 29 20212,3191,62352.9
FloridaJun 28 20211,3121,56150.88
FloridaJun 27 20211,3081,61352.58
FloridaJun 26 20211,3081,60252.21
FloridaJun 25 20211,3081,59051.83
FloridaJun 24 20211,8721,57851.44
FloridaJun 23 20211,9351,54350.3
FloridaJun 22 20211,8841,49948.86
FloridaJun 21 20211,6791,47548.09
FloridaJun 20 20211,2281,37744.89
FloridaJun 19 20211,2251,36144.37
FloridaJun 18 20211,2251,34643.87
FloridaJun 17 20211,6271,44247
FloridaJun 16 20211,6261,52949.84
FloridaJun 15 20211,7191,54350.31
FloridaJun 14 20219911,52549.71
FloridaJun 13 20211,1171,55250.61
FloridaJun 12 20211,1171,76057.39
FloridaJun 11 20211,8981,96864.16
FloridaJun 10 20212,2372,06467.3
FloridaJun 9 20211,7262,00765.41
FloridaJun 8 20211,5901,92962.89
FloridaJun 7 20211,1841,91162.31
FloridaJun 6 20212,5731,95163.6
FloridaJun 5 20212,5721,79258.41
FloridaJun 4 20212,5721,63353.24
FloridaJun 3 20211,8321,59351.94
FloridaJun 2 20211,1851,65754.02
FloridaJun 1 20211,4651,82059.34
I didn't say they were "about the same." I was pointing out the increases since 6/1 in multiples of cases. FL started at a higher level on 6/1 so 5x FL is still more cases per 100k than 6x CA. I was speculating that it is within the realm of possibility that this wave reaches the same level in cases per 100k as a peak but FL reaches the peak faster.

The CA numbers illustrate the ridiculousness of the narrative that "if we had just done the right thing last summer everywhere, COVID would have been gone." CA "followed the science" and has had pretty high vaccine acceptance yet cases are still increasing at a pretty high rate.
 

DisneyCane

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The CDC doesn’t have a comprehensive database tracking all breakthrough infections and doesn’t publish those stats publicly. However, we have seen lots of anecdotal evidence from all over the country that the overwhelming majority of cases are in the unvaccinated demographic. Recently someone posted a tweet from the mayor of Orange County and he was reporting that 100% of their infections over the previous 3 days were in unvaccinated people. Just one example, but I have a hard time believing the vaccines from January are only 40% effective now but somehow none of the infections over that recent period in Orange County came in fully vaccinated people.

Maybe this proves out to be true and I’m wrong an/or the various local and state reports claiming almost all infections are still in the unvaccinated group are inaccurate. I find it interesting that some people are so quick to believe one outlier study and so quick to dismiss other evidence to the contrary. All I’m saying is do further studies and find out what the truth is before we start rolling out boosters and claiming the vaccines don’t last 6 months.
If the localities that are releasing the unvaccinated vs. vaccinated numbers are falsifying to promote vaccination then they are doing a terrible disservice because their numbers give people like me the ammunition to say that if you are fully vaccinated, you are fine. If that data is inaccurate, it may be the worst falsehood anybody has told during the entire pandemic.

IF it somehow turns out that protection from the vaccines doesn't even last six months, the best strategy is to let it rip through the unvaccinated population ASAP worldwide. Otherwise, there is no possibility of ever reaching herd immunity. Every booster required is going to end up with fewer people getting the shot. If they said that you need a booster in less than a year, I'd be shocked if more than 80% who are fully vaccinated get the booster. The alternative of mitigation forever isn't going to fly anywhere that isn't an authoritarian dictatorship that executes people for breaking protocol.
 
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