Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

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Animaniac93-98

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Pre-internet, would you have objected to pay for the newspaper or should have they given away the papers for free?

We haven't been "pre-internet" in many years, so there's no point discussing such a hypothetical.

This is a national health crisis where the Feds have said disinformation has played a key part in the spread of disease.

If the NYT wants to put a paywall in front of its Op-eds, reviews, or thinly veiled advertisements as articles, that's fine, but they'd do more good will by providing some key info for free and possible advertise their paper more as a result.

Paywalls are necessary -- or the newspapers would be out of business, and then we would not have any good sources of information.

How "good" the info is in certain newspapers is debatable to say the least.
 

GoofGoof

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Sad day ... the USA overtakes the UK for cases. Of course there's a caveat for population size, but the USA rise is getting so fast that's it getting to be the highest in the world once again.
UK cases are down 4 straight days. They may have peaked July 17 (May have, too early to know for sure) and are now down almost 30% from that peak day. Since the US is 2 weeks behind the UK (something you have repeated continuously for a month now) we should then peak by the end of July and at a level far, far below the 500,000 daily cases “predicted”.
 

DCBaker

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Here is the weekly report from the Florida DOH -

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Here is data specifically for Orange County -

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Here is a breakdown of cases by age for this past week -

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DisneyFan32

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UK cases are down 4 straight days. They may have peaked July 17 (May have, too early to know for sure) and are now down almost 30% from that peak day. Since the US is 2 weeks behind the UK (something you have repeated continuously for a month now) we should then peak by the end of July and at a level far, far below the 500,000 daily cases “predicted”.
I'm waiting many unvaccinated people to getting vaccinating as the cases will be much lower by September/October. By the way, is Federal Mandate will be lift indoor masks for trains and buses (not planes) by September 13th (as NJ/NY as PA can lift indoor masks for trains and buses by September 13th). Will COVID-19 pandemic in USA will have another massive wave of surges by Fall or not?
 
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Trauma

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UK cases are down 4 straight days. They may have peaked July 17 (May have, too early to know for sure) and are now down almost 30% from that peak day. Since the US is 2 weeks behind the UK (something you have repeated continuously for a month now) we should then peak by the end of July and at a level far, far below the 500,000 daily cases “predicted”.
Do you have any sense of what death rates may look like considering a substantial portion of the most vulnerable population is vaccinated?
 

DisneyCane

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Here is the weekly report from the Florida DOH -

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Here is data specifically for Orange County -

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Here is a breakdown of cases by age for this past week -

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One positive is the first doses were up a lot from the prior week. I'm still concerned that there are way too many in the one dose but not both bucket. It indicates a major issue with people not going back for shot #2.
 

Angel Ariel

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I think at this point most people just need to accept that they will get some sort of variant of the virus at some point in their lives. It's not going anywhere. We've had the flu vaccine for decades, and guess what, people still get the flu. But like it has been pointed out multiple times, if you're vaccinated against it, the likelihood of you dying from it is astronomically low. At that point, it's not something you should be worried about anyway.
I am more than happy to be at that point, when all have the opportunity to get vaccinated.
 

GoofGoof

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I very much doubt it. Restrictions were lifted two days after the 17th. Clubs have reopened and are teeming with unmasked, unvaccinated people.
Fair point. I did say May so it could be that cases move up again in a few days or weeks due to re-opening. The larger point is that the spike in cases related specifically to delta in the UK seems to be leveling off. In the US nothing has really changed as far as restrictions so what goes up eventually goes down. I don’t really actually think what happens in the US is directly related to the UK anyway. The other guy keeps saying we are 2 weeks behind the UK so that would apply to cases dropping again too :)
 

GoofGoof

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Do you have any sense of what death rates may look like considering a substantial portion of the most vulnerable population is vaccinated?
Deaths are hard to predict because they are lagging stats. Despite the increase in cases here we haven’t seen deaths increase. Here’s the US graph:
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As you said, lots of the high risk people are vaccinated. We are nearing 90% of 65+ vaccinated and age was a large factor in severe Covid cases. Most Covid deaths occurred in people who were hospitalized so an uptick in hospitalizations would make you think there may be a future uptick in deaths. Here is the hospitalization graph:
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As you can see there is a small uptick but still well below the level we were at at any time prior to the vaccination rollout. Time will tell, but it seems like even with the current uptick in cases there is not a proportional increase in hospitalization and death. That is what would be expected too.

For months many of us were saying we thought that cases would drop as more people got vaccinated but there was a good chance we would see future waves of covid infections, especially among the unvaccinated, but that hospitals shouldn’t be overrun and deaths shouldn’t soar due to most of the high risk people being vaccinated. So far that seems to be playing out. Fingers crossed that continues 🤞

The 1st and 2nd waves of Covid In the US had 3 month arcs but the 3rd mini-wave in March when the UK variant became dominant was shorter and less steep. The question now is will we see a peak in the next few weeks and a quicker drop down or will we see the full 3 month arc that won’t end until September. Time will tell but either way let’s hope hospitalizations an deaths stay in check.
 

JoeCamel

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Deaths are hard to predict because they are lagging stats. Despite the increase in cases here we haven’t seen deaths increase. Here’s the US graph:
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As you said, lots of the high risk people are vaccinated. We are nearing 90% of 65+ vaccinated and age was a large factor in severe Covid cases. Most Covid deaths occurred in people who were hospitalized so an uptick in hospitalizations would make you think there may be a future uptick in deaths. Here is the hospitalization graph:
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As you can see there is a small uptick but still well below the level we were at at any time prior to the vaccination rollout. Time will tell, but it seems like even with the current uptick in cases there is not a proportional increase in hospitalization and death. That is what would be expected too.

For months many of us were saying we thought that cases would drop as more people got vaccinated but there was a good chance we would see future waves of covid infections, especially among the unvaccinated, but that hospitals shouldn’t be overrun and deaths shouldn’t soar due to most of the high risk people being vaccinated. So far that seems to be playing out. Fingers crossed that continues 🤞

The 1st and 2nd waves of Covid In the US had 3 month arcs but the 3rd mini-wave in March when the UK variant became dominant was shorter and less steep. The question now is will we see a peak in the next few weeks and a quicker drop down or will we see the full 3 month arc that won’t end until September. Time will tell but either way let’s hope hospitalizations an deaths stay in check.
I've heard it said ~10% or so of hospital admissions don't make it out
 

Disney Experience

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UK numbers of fully vaccinated as percent of admitted delta covid cases is 30%

Between 21 June and 19 July, 1,788 people were admitted to hospital after testing positive for Delta. Of these, 54% were unvaccinated while 30% had received both shots. In total, 3,692 people have so far been admitted to hospital with the Delta variant, of whom 2,152 (58%) were unvaccinated and 843 (23%) were fully vaccinated.
 
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