Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

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GoofGoof

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No-one is disputing the business links between Italy and China, but the idea that the virus was introduced by hordes of fleeing Wuhanese workers is completely unsubstantiated.
I think it’s tourists as much as workers. The Chinese middle class is much larger now than it was during previous virus outbreaks like SARS. During the last decade alone the middle class has boomed as wages have gone up in China. Those Chinese tourists were probably also a big part of the spread. Who wouldn’t like to visit Italy (back then, not now) Especially the northern part during ski season.
 

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Lilofan

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I think it’s tourists as much as workers. The Chinese middle class is much larger now than it was during previous virus outbreaks like SARS. During the last decade alone the middle class has boomed as wages have gone up in China. Those Chinese tourists were probably also a big part of the spread. Who wouldn’t like to visit Italy (back then, not now) Especially the northern part during ski season.
100%. Not necessarily WDW a favorite place to vacation for Chinese, but the luxury vacation market and high end shopping in major worldwide tourism cities depends on many wealthy Chinese to spend their billions. In my business and leisure travels, I see in the past wealthy Chinese mainly in adult tour groups enjoying themselves. Las Vegas casinos surely miss their action at the tables.
 

Shouldigo12

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Updated list if all the rationed items at my store.
 

thomas998

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Being airborne would mean that it literally lives in the air. There is no solid proof this is the case with CV19. The so-called 6 foot rule is due to droplets from coughing and/or sneezing.
No, it doesn't have to live in the air. In fact you can't really say that a virus is alive to begin with, it lacks DNA, it can't reproduce on its own, to reproduce it has to find a host... so in the classical definition of being alive it isn't. At best it is in a grey area of being alive and not alive.

But back to your airborne definition. That isn't the commonly accepted definition of whether a virus is airborne or not. The coronavirus is considered airborne because when someone coughs or sneezes they expell droplets of the mucous that contain the virus and which if inhaled by someone else or if they land on a surface can cause infection to another. A non-airborne virus would be HIV which is not flung into the air when someone with HIV sneezes or coughs. The 6 ft rule is an attempt to lower the probability of you getting infected, it isn't a magic number which guarantees your safety if someone around you has the virus. If they were to sneeze or cough at the right angle without trying to cover their mouth or nose you could easily get infected if you were 7 feet away from them. If someone in your house has the virus you would be best to stay completely out of the room that they were in and hope that they take appropriate action when they sneeze or cough.
 
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Disstevefan1

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Got this from a quick Google search, could be true, could be fake, you be the judge -

It is believed that a single sneeze can travel up to 40 meters on average, but if wind assisted it can travel substantially further, with larger droplets dropping off after being airborne for between 2 to 3 meters. Therefore the more refined the droplets the greater the travelling distance.

The average sneeze or cough can send around 100,000 contagious germs into the air at speeds up to 100 miles per hour. These germs can carry viruses, such as Coronavirus, respiratory syncytial virus (RSV) and adenoviruses, which cause the common cold.
 

thomas998

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No-one is disputing the business links between Italy and China, but the idea that the virus was introduced by hordes of fleeing Wuhanese workers is completely unsubstantiated.
The reason it has spread so quickly in Italy compared to the place like the UK probably has less to do with the number of infected people that travel to either country and more to do with the way Italian greet each other. A kiss on each cheek when you say hello is a recipe for disaster if you have a virus running rampant somewhere. The cheek kiss is also common in Iran... then look at countries like Japan where the greetings aren't even handshakes just a bow and the fact that they have a very low incidence of the virus and you start to see a pattern and why the virus has spread faster in some countries than it has in others. My guess if is you just took one infected person and dropped them in Italy, one infected in the UK and one infect in Japan that you would still end up the same place you are today because it really comes down to how people interact with each other on a daily basis as to how quickly this virus is going to really spread.
 

The Mom

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Illinois is shelter in place now and most businesses ordered closed till early April. The order does specifically state you can go out to exercise, walk, run or walk the dog but to stay 6 feet from other humans. I noted this week the few times I did go out into public places people in lines were self regulating and staying more than 6 feet from each other in lines.

And then the news today, one of the last remaining grocery store chains and at certain store told their employees that they could not wear masks or gloves. Many of the cashiers are elderly and most baggers are special needs individuals. Reason, it doesn't look good and may scare the customers. Oy.

As if customers aren't already aware that precautions have to be taken these days. Oy is right.
 

thomas998

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Got this from a quick Google search, could be true, could be fake, you be the judge -

It is believed that a single sneeze can travel up to 40 meters on average, but if wind assisted it can travel substantially further, with larger droplets dropping off after being airborne for between 2 to 3 meters. Therefore the more refined the droplets the greater the travelling distance.

The average sneeze or cough can send around 100,000 contagious germs into the air at speeds up to 100 miles per hour. These germs can carry viruses, such as Coronavirus, respiratory syncytial virus (RSV) and adenoviruses, which cause the common cold.
Of course the average distance isn't as important as the maximum distance. Even if a sneeze only goes beyond the 40 meter limit one time it could still be the one time that infects you. Based on a study at MIT the maximum distance they found sneeze could travel was 200 feet or about 61 meters. So if you want to be really careful give yourself some extra room... or better yet to the idiot that isn't covering his face when he sneezes to use a tissue.
 

thomas998

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Illinois is shelter in place now and most businesses ordered closed till early April. The order does specifically state you can go out to exercise, walk, run or walk the dog but to stay 6 feet from other humans. I noted this week the few times I did go out into public places people in lines were self regulating and staying more than 6 feet from each other in lines.

And then the news today, one of the last remaining grocery store chains and at certain store told their employees that they could not wear masks or gloves. Many of the cashiers are elderly and most baggers are special needs individuals. Reason, it doesn't look good and may scare the customers. Oy.
Well when one of those cashiers or baggers gets sick and dies the store is going to have to explain in court why they directed their employees to ignore reasonable safety precautions... and by the time it goes to trial the odds of them getting a jury that is void of anyone that knew of anyone that died or had serious complications from the virus will be pretty low. Clearly not the smartest way for a business to act unless they want to see themselves paying out serious sums of money to family of the deceased employee.
 

Incomudro

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There's a matter of the dose making the poison, and how an individuals immune system responds to it.
A person with a well functioning immune system may inhale a small number of virus and fight it off quite well.
A person with a weak immune system and underlying health conditions might not.
Similarly that first person might not fare as well if they got a heavy dose - say an infected person sneezed right in their face.
 

BlindChow

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It is believed that a single sneeze can travel up to 40 meters on average, but if wind assisted it can travel substantially further, with larger droplets dropping off after being airborne for between 2 to 3 meters. Therefore the more refined the droplets the greater the travelling distance.
Forty meters?? Color me dubious.
 
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