Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[ImperfectPixie]

So your belief is that leaders will do something eventually to “encourage” vaccination.

So how much death and hospitalization do they need?

They have projections, they have a good idea of what is coming.

I don’t understand any of this.

If mandates are needed to deal with Delta they should have been back two weeks ago.

Am I suppose to believe that we have a better idea of where this thing is headed than the CDC and Fauci.

Some game is being played here.

I won’t pretend to know what it is , or who is playing , but something is not right.

I'm hoping that someone will call out the people purposely trying to sabotage us. Personally, I find their actions not only reprehensible, but criminal.

I'm hoping that the unvaccinated seeing the virus spread specifically among their populations will spur them to be vaccinated.

I know it's an unpopular opinion, but I'm not opposed to vaccine mandates because the possibility of vaccine passports has been taken off the table by people with political motivations. (Blame them for that one.)

I'm hoping that those studying the virus and means to fight it have a breakthrough of miraculous proportions.

 

[Angel Ariel]

Someone help me out here.

I have watched expert after expert say in the last few days that people have made their choice and that if they where going to get vaccinated they would have done it.

They also say that if you are not vaccinated you WILL catch covid due to how contagious delta is.

That means no matter what we do the non vaccinated will catch it at some point.

So why worry about slowing the spread unless
hospitals are overwhelmed.

Only two true outcomes left.

1. You are vaccinated and have highly reduced risk of covid and severe outcomes.

2. You catch covid.

We can not mitigate away these outcomes.

One of these two things will happen.

Today tomorrow next April.

Because we still have populations who aren’t allowed to have the vaccines and increased spread with a strain that group is more reactive to helps no one.

 

[Disney Experience]

How do we get herd immunity ?

Experts are saying we need 95% vaccination rate now thanks to Delta.

That was posted a few days ago in this thread.

Your basically saying we need to buy time for something that is never going to happen.

The formula for herd immunity has variables ( such as reproductive rate) that can vary depending on the best estimates and current data. Many, many months ago I linked papers on this.

The efficacy of the current vaccines and those with prior covid will not necessarily be the efficacy of updated vaccines. Though the immunity of specific prior infections may decrease with future mutations.

So the current efficacy of 64% for Pfizer vs Delta may, with a delta specific booster, move back into the 90s. This would then lower the required %vaccinated in order to get herd immunity.

 

[danlb_2000]

So your belief is that leaders will do something eventually to “encourage” vaccination.

So how much death and hospitalization do they need?

They have projections, they have a good idea of what is coming.

I don’t understand any of this.

If mandates are needed to deal with Delta they should have been back two weeks ago.

Am I suppose to believe that we have a better idea of where this thing is headed than the CDC and Fauci?

Some game is being played here.

I won’t pretend to know what it is , or who is playing , but something is not right.

I think you are reading to much into this. One big thing that hasn't changed since the start of the pandemic, is that this isn't something we had to deal with often, so we are learning as we go. Balancing public health, the economic impact, people's right, state's rights, while dealing with an ever changing virus poses a massive challenge. Nobody has all the answers.

 

[Trauma]

I think you are reading to much into this. One big thing that hasn't changed since the start of the pandemic, is that this isn't something we had to deal with often, so we are learning as we go. Balancing public health, the economic impact, people's right, state's rights, while dealing with an ever changing virus poses a massive challenge. Nobody has all the answers.

Well what I am reading into the responses I get when I ask questions like this is we are hoping for things that seem very far off. Vaccine passports, more effective vaccines, or miraculous break thru’s.

We are looking at extending the timeline of the virus by years.

This may be the reality but I just don’t see people following mitigation’s for another 24 months or whatever time period it takes.

Why am I resistant to this approach?

We had the chance to end this RIGHT FREAKING NOW and it did not even come close to happening.

I have zero confidence that when we have another chance the result will be any different.

At some point we have to accept this disease is endemic.

“Eradicating this virus right now from the world is a lot like trying to plan the construction of a stepping-stone pathway to the Moon. It’s unrealistic,” says Michael Osterholm, an epidemiologist at the University of Minnesota in Minneapolis.”

We can’t get rid of it, we had a chance and failed.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

Well what I am reading into the responses I get when I ask questions like this is we are hoping for things that seem very far off. Vaccine passports, more effective vaccines, or miraculous break thru’s.

We are looking at extending the timeline of the virus by years.

This may be the reality but I just don’t see people following mitigation’s for another 24 months or whatever time period it takes.

Why am I resistant to this approach?

We had the chance to end this RIGHT FREAKING NOW and it did not even come close to happening.

I have zero confidence that when we have another chance the result will be any different.

At some point we have to accept this disease is endemic.

“Eradicating this virus right now from the world is a lot like trying to plan the construction of a stepping-stone pathway to the Moon. It’s unrealistic,” says Michael Osterholm, an epidemiologist at the University of Minnesota in Minneapolis.”

We can’t get rid of it, we had a chance and failed.

I was where you are not all that long ago.

I refuse to give up all hope and let those who are working against us win.

 

[Trauma]

Because we still have populations who aren’t allowed to have the vaccines and increased spread with a strain that group is more reactive to helps no one.

Then we better not be sending those kids to school.

If the are below the age requirement for vaccination they should be remote learning.

 

[DisneyFan32]

I was where you are not all that long ago.

I refuse to give up all hope and let those who are working against us win.

is the pandemic will be much longer for years and years to come? I just want it to end this NOW!

 

[Figgy1]

is the pandemic will be much longer for years and years to come? I just want it to end this NOW!

I'm sure everybody does.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

Then we better not be sending those kids to school.

If the are below the age requirement for vaccination they should be remote learning.

Remote learning was taken completely off the table in MA last spring by the state head of education.

 

[Willmark]

No one wants to believe the CDC anymore because they aren't supporting their pro-mask and pro-lockdown agenda anymore. Funny how the "trust the science" crowd doesn't want to believe the experts anymore. LA County is shining example of stupidity by forcing vaccinated people to wear masks again when the experts said its not needed. We are so screwed.

It’s hard not to like this post more.

Way to sink the credibility of the vaccine in the public’s eye there LA country

 

[Trauma]

Remote learning was taken completely off the table in MA last spring by the state head of education.

Well then parents should homeschool I guess.

What do you want me to say?

Kids will be kids, the masks won’t be worn 100% of the time correctly.

300% more contagious.

One little whoopsie and the whole class has it.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

Well then parents should homeschool I guess.

What do you want me to say?

Kids will be kids, the masks won’t be worn 100% of the time correctly.

300% more contagious.

One little whoopsie and the whole class has it.

When one has a special needs child, for whom services were provided through the public school system, that is not always a viable option. Never mind those parents who have to work to put food on the table, but the costs involved in replacing those services can be astronomical...and that doesn't take into account that finding services outside of school can be extraordinarily difficult and more often than not involves lengthy waiting lists.

ETA: And in many, many cases, parents have fought for YEARS to get the appropriate services in place at school for their children. Removal from the district would mean that they'd have to fight all over again should they decide to re-enter the public school system.

EDIT 2: After speaking with both my sons' teachers, the only students they had difficulty with in regards to masking were those children whose parents were obviously anti-mask.

 

[Andrew C]

We had the chance to end this RIGHT FREAKING NOW and it did not even come close to happening.

We could have had a 100% vaccination rate. But what about every other country? I think it’s clear now, once we got past the fall of 2019 when we actually figured out what the heck was going on, there was no stopping it by that point. Only temporarily delaying it. As more in the world get vaccinated, I’m sure we will get to levels that are more acceptable and what we can live with without having a panic attack every season. But it seems it’s here to stay in some form or fashion. I dunno. Maybe I’m wrong. But it seems likely to me. The world got screwed.

 

[LittleBuford]

It’s hard not to like this post more.

Way to sink the credibility of the vaccine in the public’s eye there LA country

The policy in LA is to address the failure of the honour system, not a comment on the efficacy of the vaccine.

 

[DisneyFan32]

Will the pandemic will finally be over in USA as the Delta variants as future variants will decreasing soon by fall/winter?

 

[Trauma]

When one has a special needs child, for whom services were provided through the public school system, that is not always a viable option. Never mind those parents who have to work to put food on the table, but the costs involved in replacing those services can be astronomical...and that doesn't take into account that finding services outside of school can be extraordinarily difficult and more often than not involves lengthy waiting lists.

ETA: And in many, many cases, parents have fought for YEARS to get the appropriate services in place at school for their children. Removal from the district would mean that they'd have to fight all over again should they decide to re-enter the public school system.

EDIT 2: After speaking with both my sons' teachers, the only students they had difficulty with in regards to masking were those children whose parents were obviously anti-mask.

I’m not saying kids will be anti mask. They will be for it!!

What I’m saying is they are still kids and prone to make a mistake.

Also if kids are going back to school full time how are they eating lunch with a mask on?

To repeat things are going to happen and masks will be off one way or another at some point.

300% more contagious.

If your kid is very high risk I would be considering extreme action to protect them, school will not be safe.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

I’m not saying kids will be anti mask. They will be for it!!

What I’m saying is they are still kids and prone to make a mistake.

Also if kids are going back to school full time how are they eating lunch with a mask on?

To repeat things are going to happen and masks will be off one way or another at some point.

300% more contagious.

If your kid is very high risk I would be considering extreme action to protect them, school will not be safe.

I'm fortunate in that neither of my boys would be considered high risk.

But you see what I'm driving at...the state head of education put parents in a nearly impossible spot...sort of like a particular governor did to the counties where the theme parks we all love are located.

I'm praying that if things get hairy here again (I'm in MA, and so far we're not doing TOO badly, but cases are on the rise again), that our governor won't fall into the trap of making political choices over health-driven ones.

 

[Trauma]

The policy in LA is to address the failure of the honour system, not a comment on the efficacy of the vaccine.

I am very curious to see the LA county case numbers over the next few weeks.

I am expecting a drastic drop in case numbers.

If the mask mandate doesn’t work in California of all places it’s probably not going to work anywhere else.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

They can sit in line for a stick up their nose but not a needle in their arm.

Irony.

Why are you assuming that none of them have been vaccinated? Vaccinated can still catch covid.

3rd arms, being uploaded to Bill Gates harddrive, etc.

Or blood clots, or a neurological disorder, or heart inflammation. Very rare, yes, but also very real.

I have watched expert after expert say in the last few days that people have made their choice and that if they where going to get vaccinated they would have done it.

Those experts would be wrong, people are still getting vaccinated everyday.

We had the chance to end this RIGHT FREAKING NOW and it did not even come close to happening.

I mean.. we could have totally locked down the country (a real lockdown) and closed all state borders a year ago and gotten things under control in a couple months. Basically the Australia method.