DisneyFan32
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By end of the year during mayor elections, I'm afraid there will be a massive COVID-19 wave like Delta variants so it will have future variants to end vaccines as the end of the world!
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By end of the year during mayor elections, I'm afraid there will be a massive COVID-19 wave like Delta variants so it will have future variants to end vaccines as the end of the world!
Agreed on the lack of will. That's why it's important to hear voices to sway that will..
But -- there are millions of unvaccinated people who lived in pro-vax states, who would be swayed to get the vaccine. It's not like New York and California are at 100% vaccinated.
And for travel, we aren't just talking about an annual vacation. Sure, some tourists might say, "guess I won't visit NY since they require vaccines." But millions of Americans cross state lines regularly for business, etc. Is a truck driver going to refuse routes that cross through pro-vax states?
DisneyCane
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I honestly think that something that would work better is to offer tax breaks to companies that require their employees to be vaccinated. At the same time make people who are unemployed due to refusal to be vaccinated ineligible for unemployment compensation.
That story is a year old.The shortages of Tyson chicken were a direct result of outbreaks in their plants because they weren't making any efforts at safety with regards to COVID.
Over 10,000 Tyson Employees Reportedly Test Positive For Covid
A new study found nearly 50,000 meat processing workers have contracted Covid-19 since the start of the pandemic.www.forbes.com
ETA: There was a big to-do about it...employees complaining about working conditions, etc.
How's Australia doing with it right now? Looks like numbers are back on the rise.
ImperfectPixie
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Yes, it is. That's the point - that particular shortage wasn't a result of the shut-downs...it was a direct result of thousands of workers at Tyson getting sick.
I wouldn’t mind that approach. Could also do a tax credit for those individuals vaccinated and a tax surcharge on those unvaccinated.
Rising from nearly non-existent to still really tiny.
They are up all the way to 114 cases per day.
That would be the equivalent of 1500 cases per day in the US.
Their worst day of the entire pandemic has been infinitely better than the US’s best day.
Polkadotdress
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One reason that breakthrough cases are so low, is because they are only tracked/counted if they result in hospitalization.
Sure. But apparently you can't just "lock down for a couple of months" and beat this thing.
correcaminos
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That's because the rest of the world didn't.
correcaminos
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I don't think so.... or we wouldn't hear about asymptomatic cases for those who tested positive. Pretty darn sure they are tracking beyond super severe.
They can lock down for as long as they want it won’t matter.
Unless they reach whatever the magic herd immunity number is by vaccination, when they try to open back up corona will be there to greet them.
That's kind of my point. Locking down for a couple months, weeks or whatever would not have stopped this for us.
Polkadotdress
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From the CDC:
"As of May 1, 2021, CDC transitioned from monitoring all reported vaccine breakthrough cases to focus on identifying and investigating only hospitalized or fatal cases due to any cause. This shift will help maximize the quality of the data collected on cases of greatest clinical and public health importance."
COVID-19 Breakthrough Case Investigations and Reporting | CDC
Information and resources to help public health departments and laboratories investigate and report COVID-19 vaccine breakthrough cases.
We are hearing about asymptomatic cases from "celebrity" cases (Olympians, politicians, etc)
I'm going to live my life social distancing , wearing masks when required and I'm vaccinated. The ones who refuse to get vaccinated are crowding the ERs in hospitals and should own up to their mistake of not getting the vaccine.
Angel Ariel
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I am well aware, which is why I agreed that when schools open it’s going to spread. Yes, spread will happen during lunch. And snack. And breakfast. All of which happen during a regular school day. Which is why the actions of the adults to move forward with no mitigations at all (which is what is happening in my state) before children have an opportunity to be vaccinated was and is a mistake. The adults have decided that the children who will and do react poorly to covid infection are an acceptable sacrifice.
cynical? Yep. For a reason.
DisneyCane
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On a national level, yes. @DCBaker has been posting information from Orange County and they are analyzing every positive test to determine if the person was vaccinated or not. The highest percentage of positive tests from vaccinated people on any day was less than 4%.
That's always been true, since day 1. The entire point of those items was to buy time. Not to reach an end goal but to buy time to get a better solution. It's always been about buying time until vaccination was available and then enough people were vaccinated. With no vaccine, it would have been about getting early warning and response processes in place to tamp down outbreaks as fast as possible locally.
We've been making the same mistake since day 1 too, thinking that the first step was enough and we could just end it without the second steps. As evidence, we have no early warning and response process at all. Of course, we never got cases low enough for that to work anyway. Other than the vaccine, we didn't do anything else with the time we were buying. It was mostly just wasted time delaying. We did manage to flatten enough to avoid complete healthcare system failure, so that was nice.
What's the Australia vaccination rate? They can't really "open up" until they get that high enough. In their case, "open up" really means opening the boarders. Since that's how they're mitigating, working like a huge bubble with strict ingress quarantine restrictions. They're not really locking down within the bubble.
If we had gotten the cases low enough (they did), and created the early warning and response processes to find outbreaks fast and contain them while still small (they seem to have done this), and done the controls to minimize ingress of infected people (easier for them than in the US), overall cases and impacts could have been smaller. None of that works once case counts are large enough.
The US plan is clearly Vaccinate or Bust. There is no fallback plan. Unfortunately, there's currently to many people nationally choosing Bust. The good news, for some, is that it's not equally distributed. Some areas are achieving the Vaccinate goal, others are way down the Bust path. Given the choice on where to travel to, I'm avoiding the Bust areas and places people from the Bust areas tend to visit.
LittleBuford
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Yes, we can. He would get into untold trouble for making such a thing up—the UK has among the strictest libel laws in the world—and Downing Street hasn’t denied the veracity of the texts, only issued a generic defence of Johnson’s response to the pandemic.
It’s disgusting.
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