Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[Lilofan]

While youbare right that this isn’t currently a problem, the doctors and epidemiologists there do seem to be concerned about the rising hospitalization rates.

Florida COVID hospitalizations rising again after decline

Florida’s COVID-19 hospitalization numbers are again increasing, ending months of steady decline that began when widespread vaccinations became available.

www.wfla.com

Florida virus hospitalizations again rising after a decline

FORT LAUDERDALE, Fla. (AP) — Florida's COVID-19 hospitalization numbers are again increasing, ending months of steady decline that began when widespread vaccinations became available and leaving doctors and epidemiologists worried as the more infectious delta variant spreads.

apnews.com

The truth hits home when you are your loved one recently has to go to the hospital ER and are laid out on a hospital bed in a crowded hallway with many other patients for many hours at a time because of beyond overflowing capacity.

 

[nickys]

Oops apologies of course you are correct! Blame my tired heat overpowered brain last night!

No worries. Like you I have my fingers crossed.

An increase in cases on it’s own isn’t a problem. But the fact that younger people are now ending up in the ICU, whilst unsurprising, means it is possible that hospitals could become over burdened. That is why I am happy the Scottish government are taking a more cautious approach until: most 18-30 year olds are doubly vaccinated.

 

[Tony the Tigger]

If the current problems are 99% with people who have chosen not to be vaccinated why do I need to do any of what you say? I'm fully vaccinated so, for me, everything is fine.

The fact that you ask this question at all means you have some reading to do.

 

[Lilofan]

No worries. Like you I have my fingers crossed.

An increase in cases on it’s own isn’t a problem. But the fact that younger people are now ending up in the ICU, whilst unsurprising, means it is possible that hospitals could become over burdened. That is why I am happy the Scottish government are taking a more cautious approach until: most 18-30 year olds are doubly vaccinated.

Good news about Scotland. And in France health care workers must be vaccinated to perform their jobs. They have no option to say no to getting the vaccine. Way to go France!

 

[Trauma]

The fact that you ask this question at all means you have some reading to do.

U.S. COVID Deaths Are Rising Again. Experts Call It A 'Pandemic Of The Unvaccinated'

Reversing a months-long downward trend, deaths from COVID-19 have begun rising steadily this week. More than 99% of the recent fatalities were among people who had not been vaccinated.

www.npr.org

I guess you should tell Fauci and the head of the CDC that they also have some reading to do.

 

[Trauma]

More than 99% of recent deaths were among the unvaccinated, infectious disease expert Dr. Anthony Fauci said earlier this month on NBC's Meet the Press, while Walensky noted on Friday that unvaccinated people accounted for over 97% of hospitalizations.


For those who don’t want to read the article here is the numbers from Fauci and the CDC

 

[Touchdown]

Are there large amounts of vaccinated people getting severe disease? Nope. Several factors less then 1%

Are there large amounts of vaccinated people dying? Nope. Again

Same question in children (Nope and nope)

Nothing to see move along.

 

[drizgirl]

Saying that a state owned hospital may not require their employees to be vaccinated is absolute insanity.

Sure… individuals can have a choice as to whether they want to take the vaccine. But not if they want to simultaneously hold patient-contact employment.

I can get behind a state owned hospital not requiring it prior to full authorization. But full authorization plus 2 years is arbitrary and insane.

 

[Parker in NYC]

Are people here still calling everyone who was right about everything "doom and gloomers?"

Welcome to the reality we saw coming several weeks ago.

WEEKS?

 

[Hakunamatata]

Are there large amounts of vaccinated people getting severe disease? Nope. Several factors less then 1%

Are there large amounts of vaccinated people dying? Nope. Again

Same question in children (Nope and nope)

Nothing to see move along.

I guess we have gone to “18 months to flatten the curve” or have we moved on to eradicating the virus as the goal?

 

[Disstevefan1]

While youbare right that this isn’t currently a problem, the doctors and epidemiologists there do seem to be concerned about the rising hospitalization rates.

Florida COVID hospitalizations rising again after decline

Florida’s COVID-19 hospitalization numbers are again increasing, ending months of steady decline that began when widespread vaccinations became available.

www.wfla.com

Florida virus hospitalizations again rising after a decline

FORT LAUDERDALE, Fla. (AP) — Florida's COVID-19 hospitalization numbers are again increasing, ending months of steady decline that began when widespread vaccinations became available and leaving doctors and epidemiologists worried as the more infectious delta variant spreads.

apnews.com

Is anyone surprised cases are rising? The world is opening up and the vaccine does not prevent folks from getting COVID, it should allow you to recover more quickly.

And yes, a very small percentage of folks who are vaccinated do get COVID and die from covid. Its my feeling folks will die from COVID vaccinated or not and a huge majority of folks who get COVID will recover.

Long haul problems for those who get COVID and recover? Who knows?

I suspect I will have long haul problems from eating cheeseburgers and milkshakes..

Long before folks ever heard of COVID, my family never left the house without hand sanitizers and wipes and we go through the ritual of wiping down all the surfaces and use sanitizer in restaurants for example.

Everyone should be careful and continue to germaphobic, it can only help.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

If the current problems are 99% with people who have chosen not to be vaccinated why do I need to do any of what you say? I'm fully vaccinated so, for me, everything is fine.

Look at the data Orange County keeps putting out. Even the "cases" are over 95% unvaccinated people. There are many things that can't be done in a way that you would consider to be "more safely" and still actually be the same thing.

Your doom and gloom reality is that people who aren't vaccinated are catching COVID and some are ending up in the hospital and some are dying. People who are fully vaccinated are rarely catching COVID, very rarely ending up in the hospital and extremely rarely ending up dying (and doing so on a level that is irrelevant in the scheme of dying from any cause).

Stop thinking you are better than me because you continue to wear a mask and socially distance when the CDC has said that there is no reason to (since you are fully vaccinated).

Florida isn't "a mess." There are a lot of positive test results among unvaccinated people who are mostly in the younger, low risk demographic. Hospitals aren't overflowing or having difficulty handling the patient load, people aren't dropping dead in hallways. The doom and gloomers define everything based on "the numbers" but focus on the wrong ones.

I've asked everyone to please stop with the "doom and gloom" labeling multiple times...for pete's sake just stop.

Are there large amounts of vaccinated people getting severe disease? Nope. Several factors less then 1%

Are there large amounts of vaccinated people dying? Nope. Again

Same question in children (Nope and nope)

Nothing to see move along.

There's quite a bit to see.

Where U.S. coronavirus cases are on the rise

The states where the outbreak is growing fastest

graphics.reuters.com

Florida specific - https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/region/us/florida

The following screenshots are from Reuters (link above) and are from this morning. Note that nearly EVERY state has seen an increase in cases over the last week.

And here's Florida-specific information from Johns Hopkins (link above):

 

[DisneyFan32]

Is anyone surprised cases are rising? The world is opening up and the vaccine does not prevent folks from getting COVID, it should allow you to recover more quickly.

And yes, a very small percentage of folks who are vaccinated do get COVID and die from covid. Its my feeling folks will die from COVID vaccinated or not and a huge majority of folks who get COVID will recover.

Long haul problems for those who get COVID and recover? Who knows?

I suspect I will have long haul problems from eating cheeseburgers and milkshakes..

Long before folks ever heard of COVID, my family never left the house without hand sanitizers and wipes and we go through the ritual of wiping down all the surfaces and use sanitizer in restaurants for example.

Everyone should be careful and continue to germaphobic, it can only help.

I'm scared now. I don't want to get COVID-19 as I'm fully vaccinated

 

[Trauma]

In response to climbing cases, some communities have already begun to reinstate mask mandates or are recommending that residents wear masks and socially distance again. Gottlieb urged using high-quality masks, like N95s. “Quality of mask is going to make a difference with a variant that spreads more aggressively like delta does, where people are more contagious and exude more virus,” he said.

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The masks mandate will be similar to the vaccine problem.

They become much more effective when everyone participates.

How many people did you see wearing a properly fitted N95?

 

[DisneyFan32]

I've asked everyone to please stop with the "doom and gloom" labeling multiple times...for pete's sake just stop.


There's quite a bit to see.

Where U.S. coronavirus cases are on the rise

The states where the outbreak is growing fastest

graphics.reuters.com

Florida specific - https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/region/us/florida

The following screenshots are from Reuters (link above) and are from this morning. Note that EVERY state has seen an increase in cases over the last week. This includes the 6 states that were still seeing decreases in cases the week prior.

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And here's Florida-specific information from Johns Hopkins (link above):

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If this is getting worse by September, October, November and December as fall/winter comes if the cases will getting massive huge soon, we're screwed as masks and social distancing will returning and forever........noooooooo....

 

[ImperfectPixie]

If this is getting worse by September, October, November and December as fall/winter comes if the cases will getting massive huge soon, we're screwed as masks and social distancing will returning and forever........noooooooo....

Better to have to wear a mask again than to fall ill with COVID, friend.

 

[Disstevefan1]

I'm scared now. I don't want to get COVID-19 as I'm fully vaccinated

Scared is not such a bad thing. Continue to be self aware and keep your hands clean and use sanitizer. Just like we should be doing, covid or not..

 

[DisneyFan32]

Better to have to wear a mask again than to fall ill with COVID, friend.

Listen guys, I'm fully vaccinated as the cases will trend down as mask mandate returns in some states like FL and CA. Then many people will willing to get vaccinating by fall/winter.

 

[Touchdown]

I've asked everyone to please stop with the "doom and gloom" labeling multiple times...for pete's sake just stop.


There's quite a bit to see.

Where U.S. coronavirus cases are on the rise

The states where the outbreak is growing fastest

graphics.reuters.com

Florida specific - https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/region/us/florida

The following screenshots are from Reuters (link above) and are from this morning. Note that EVERY state has seen an increase in cases over the last week. This includes the 6 states that were still seeing decreases in cases the week prior.

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And here's Florida-specific information from Johns Hopkins (link above):

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I really am done looking at total cases, hospitalizations, and deaths. Unlike a year ago there are now two types of humans in the world, the vaccinated and unvaccinated. I know what’s about to happen to unvaccinated individuals, and it’s going to be terrible, but I’m not in that group.

I particularly care about my group, the vaccinated, and while it’s harder to find stats on us, our numbers are incredibly low. Were going to be fine as a group, there will be breakthroughs but they’ll be rare, unless something changes. I also care about kids, since they can’t be vaxxed yet. Multiple Public Health officials continue to broadcast that vaccinated people shouldn’t be overly concerned, and that young children continue to have a low rate of severe disease. So I’m not worried, just sad that many people who gambled with their life are about to roll snake eyes.

 

[lisa12000]

Good news about Scotland. And in France health care workers must be vaccinated to perform their jobs. They have no option to say no to getting the vaccine. Way to go France!

To be fair it’s been mandated in england (not sure if whole of uk) in social care settings as well