TrainsOfDisney
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Careful! Whenever I say the vaccine isn’t fully approved by the FDA I’m told it’s irrelevant and that I’m spreading anti-vax lies.
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ImperfectPixie
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Okay, so let's look at this as a vaccinated vs. non-vaccinated thing. Are you ready to have to deal with shortages and supply line issues again? Because the way the numbers are climbing, it really looks like they're going to happen. I couldn't get the chicken my husband likes for his lunches yesterday because it was not included in their shipment last week...they're "hoping" they get more tomorrow, but there are products they haven't been able to get for more than a month from that supplier...just like the last time there were rises in cases all over the country.
I get it...you're angry. I am, too. There are people purposely sabotaging us and we ALL suffer the consequences of their ignorance.
ImperfectPixie
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There's a reason it's irrelevant though - there is no difference in the safety data required for full approval. It's not a longer amount of time, it's not more data...it's literally the same, exact safety data used for both EUA and full approval.
"It's not been fully approved" is a very, VERY common line used by anti-vaxxers because they're choosing to ignore the fact that the data used for both forms of use approval are exactly the same.
I’ll deal with the temporary issues, don’t forget I’m going to be working harder too. I will continue to try to convince anyone who asks my opinion on vaccines to get their shots but I don’t see any political will to do anything more drastic, and absent of a mandatory vaccine or signs of vaccine escape or bad disease in children I will not be in favor of curtailing my freedoms again. That’s the only difference between us. I’m not whistling past the graveyard, I’m just walking past the graveyard unstealthly knowing I’m protected from the ghosts for the most part and I have to walk past it.
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Moderna and Pfizer will be, potentially as soon as next month, the data is in and it’s just making its way through the bureaucracy of the FDA and being studied. So at this point it is irrelevant.
DisneyCane
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Why not include the hospitalization graph? Is it not pessimistic enough? The last time the 7 day rolling average of cases in FL was over 11k (1/21), there were 7,739 people hospitalized with COVID on a seven day rolling average. The latest available day. For 7/17, there was a seven day rolling average of 4,010.I've asked everyone to please stop with the "doom and gloom" labeling multiple times...for pete's sake just stop.
There's quite a bit to see.
Where U.S. coronavirus cases are on the rise
The states where the outbreak is growing fastestgraphics.reuters.com
Florida specific - https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/region/us/florida
The following screenshots are from Reuters (link above) and are from this morning. Note that nearly EVERY state has seen an increase in cases over the last week.
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And here's Florida-specific information from Johns Hopkins (link above):
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It clearly shows that the demographic which is unvaccinated and getting infected is also the demographic that is less severely effected.
I think this spike is a good thing in a way. First, maybe it will finally push people to get vaccinated. Second, if it doesn't, the unvaccinated are getting "vaccinated" at a pretty rapid pace.
I'll go with "catastrophe and depression crowd" in the future.
DisneyCane
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The fact that you think I'm not fine means you have some reading to do. Go analyze the statistics for vaccinated people and then go look at statistics for your age on normal risk factors. If you are fully vaccinated, you are "fine" with respect to COVID as much as you were fine with anything on any given day before COVID-19 existed.
DisneyDebRob
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You will have long haul problems from eating cheeseburgers and milkshakes.. and we know mostly what they will be. That’s the point.
The things they are seeing now with Covid and long haulers to this point is scary. Hopefully,someway,somehow they can be helped and not suffer as much.
TrainsOfDisney
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Glad you know my intentions. I’m just repeating what the FDA says.
DisneyCane
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We are less than a month from "15 days to slow the spread" turning into "15 months to slow the spread." I guess somebody made a typo on those graphics they made up.
What some people refuse to accept is that, especially from a worldwide perspective, it is unlikely that COVID-19 ever gets eradicated.
ImperfectPixie
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C'mon...you should know me better than that by now...I'm not hiding anything, I just knew the screenshots I was posting already took up a ton of room on their own, or I wouldn't have posted the link to the data. If you'd seen last weeks graphs, you'd know that the hospitalizations and deaths increases for this week look similar to what the new cases increases looked like last week (but we all know those both lag cases).
I'm praying the rises across the board push those who are anti-vaxx for ridiculous reasons into getting their jabs...I really am.
lazyboy97o
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You have repeatedly been asked for another explanation and repeatedly refuse to answer.
LaughingGravy
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I was at an event of about 80 people in CT this weekend and someone speaking before the group described it as great that we could all be together post-Covid. There was another reference to the pandemic being over.
I was just an audience member, but yipes! Granted, they are doing well compared to other states and they seem to have done a decent job with vaccination compare to the obvious.
I was just an audience member, but yipes! Granted, they are doing well compared to other states and they seem to have done a decent job with vaccination compare to the obvious.
DisneyCane
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Sorry for that. I guess I overreacted to that missing graph. I'm with you on your prayers.
Speaking of that, as of Friday's most recent breakthrough infections data, out of over 159 million fully vaccinated people, 791 have died due to COVID-19 and 3,733 have been hospitalized. That's 0.0005% of fully vaccinated people who have died over the past several months and 0.0023% who have been hospitalized.
TrainsOfDisney
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Those are good numbers. But it’s not like 100% of vaccinated people got equal exposure. As the Delta virus spreads those numbers could go up. That’s not being doom and gloom, I agree those numbers are good .0005% (trusting your math cause I’m too lazy!) is a very low number!
And that’s the same reasoning that leads antivaxxers and deniers to throw their hands up. It’s God’s will. Nothing we can do. May as well let it happen.
I’m glad I’m an American. At least here we can fight and hope for a better tomorrow using all the gifts we possess.
ImperfectPixie
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Not to mention that Delta likes younger people and there are younger people who aren't able to be vaccinated yet.
Polkadotdress
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Since the suggestion of vaccine passports frequently comes up here in this thread, I thought I'd share the most recent list of where the states are in regards to acceptance of such a passport*
*Here's a hint, many are a hard NO.
*Here's a hint, many are a hard NO.
No because it’s not God’s Will it’s humanity’s will. If we vaccinated the entire world it would be wiped out but that’s not going to happen, so the best I can do is get vaccinated myself.
Yay for us though!
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