willtravel
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Didn't help in Ohio.
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ImperfectPixie
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That was a lottery. @Trauma has consistently been saying another stimulus should be used as a "carrot" because the lotteries aren't working.
Yes exactly my point.
Lottery’s are stupid and do not work.
Direct guaranteed incentive to vaccinate will fill up the Walgreens parking lots across the nation.
GimpYancIent
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Money brings out the worst in some people, here is an example;
"ALEXANDRIA, Va. (AP) — A former senior NASA employee who cheated the government out of nearly $275,000 in pandemic-related financial assistance has been sentenced to 18 months in prison.
The sentence imposed Thursday on 36-year-old Andrew Tezna of Leesburg was roughly in line with the 21-month sentence sought by federal prosecutors in Alexandria.
Tezna’s lawyer had sought home detention. Tezna pleaded guilty to fraud after submitting bogus applications under the government’s Paycheck Protection Program.
During the fraud, Tezna was making more than $180,000 annually working in NASA’s financial offices. He used the money to pay off a swimming pool and a Disney timeshare, among other items. He also paid more than $6,000 for a French bulldog."
"ALEXANDRIA, Va. (AP) — A former senior NASA employee who cheated the government out of nearly $275,000 in pandemic-related financial assistance has been sentenced to 18 months in prison.
The sentence imposed Thursday on 36-year-old Andrew Tezna of Leesburg was roughly in line with the 21-month sentence sought by federal prosecutors in Alexandria.
Tezna’s lawyer had sought home detention. Tezna pleaded guilty to fraud after submitting bogus applications under the government’s Paycheck Protection Program.
During the fraud, Tezna was making more than $180,000 annually working in NASA’s financial offices. He used the money to pay off a swimming pool and a Disney timeshare, among other items. He also paid more than $6,000 for a French bulldog."
ImperfectPixie
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I hope she loses her license.
California woman first to face federal charges over fake COVID immunizations, vaccination cards
A homoeopathic doctor in California became the first person in the United States to face federal criminal fraud prosecution over fake COVID-19 immunization and falsifying coronavirus vaccine cards.www.foxnews.com
I understand this is on just vaccine and card, but there will be problems with fake passports also. May help but.......
I can't believe the numbers of people who are going out of their way to sabotage us.
So your saying if we get a vaccine stimulus it will bring out the worst in us?
Im really lost on this comment.
I respect your opinion but phew man I’m missing something here.
ImperfectPixie
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I think they're trying to say that a lot of people will be tempted to commit fraud.
Nice make it a triple xxx felony to fraudulently claim you are vaccinated and enforce the law.
willtravel
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Oops, my bad. Missed the word not in your statement. But I am still against any more stimulus. I feel like I am paying for someone to go on vacation. If you are not a responsible person then I don't care any more.
Your going to be paying a lot more in the long run to rebuild the country if this thing goes sideways.
I would rather dance with the devil I know.
JoeCamel
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Yeah let's discount France. Just people like pastur and curie come from there.....
danlb_2000
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For anyone who is interested here is where every state stands on Vaccine Passports as of July 3rd.
www.beckershospitalreview.com
Vaccine passports: 50 states with bans, limitations & green lights
As the nation continues its COVID-19 vaccination rollout, discussion over the potential use of digital proof of coronavirus vaccination, known as
Heppenheimer
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I don't think homeopaths are licensed.
LittleBuford
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Further reading:
Latest Data on COVID-19 Vaccinations by Race/Ethnicity | KFF
KFF is collecting and analyzing data on COVID-19 vaccinations by race/ethnicity to gain increased insight who is receiving the vaccine and whether some groups are facing disparities in vaccination.
www.kff.org
Overall, across these 40 states, the percent of White people who have received at least one COVID-19 vaccine dose (47%) was roughly 1.4 times higher than the rate for Black people (34%) and 1.2 times higher than the rate for Hispanic people (39%) as of July 6, 2021. White people had a higher vaccination rate compared to Hispanic people in all reporting states, except Virginia, Vermont, Missouri, Louisiana, the District of Columbia, and Tennessee, and a higher rate than Black people in every reporting state, except Oregon, Alaska, and Idaho. However, the size of these differences varied widely across states. For example, White people were over twice as likely to have received a vaccine as Hispanic people in Colorado and South Dakota and had at least a two times higher vaccination rate than Black people in Florida, Iowa, and South Dakota. The overall vaccination rate across states for Asian people was higher compared to White people (62% vs. 47%), which is consistent with the pattern in most reporting states. However, Asian people had lower vaccinations rates than White people in six states (Colorado, Virginia, Utah, North Dakota, Pennsylvania, and South Dakota).
As of July 6, less than half of Black and Hispanic people have received at least one COVID-19 vaccine dose in nearly all states reporting data. The vaccination rate for Black people is less than 50% in 39 of 42 reporting states, including 19 states where less than a third of Black people have received one or more doses. Similarly, less than half of Hispanic people have received a COVID-19 vaccine dose in 35 of 40 reporting states, including 13 states where less than a third have received at least one dose. At least half of White people have received a COVID-19 vaccine dose in 13 of 42 states. The rate remains below 50% in the remaining 29 states but falls below a third in only two states. At least half of Asian people have received one or more doses in most reporting states (30 of 39).
Perhaps we can move away from the narrative that the unvaccinated are all "choosing" to ruin it for the rest of us.
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MorphinePrince
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AMAZING!! It must be nice to have a leader with a backbone like this!! The French are so lucky.
ImperfectPixie
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I don't either...but the word "doctor" used in the article made me wonder if maybe she is licensed.
correcaminos
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Or acknowledge there are both really. People say that they don't want to pay people to vaccinate but we need to realize there are socioeconomic issues for many and unless they are paid to take the vaccine, they literally cannot afford to take time off to do so. Outreach to marginalized is key to help. And let's be real calming medical fears type of outreach from a buncha white people might not be wise eitherFor further reading:
Latest Data on COVID-19 Vaccinations by Race/Ethnicity | KFF
KFF is collecting and analyzing data on COVID-19 vaccinations by race/ethnicity to gain increased insight who is receiving the vaccine and whether some groups are facing disparities in vaccination.
Overall, across these 40 states, the percent of White people who have received at least one COVID-19 vaccine dose (47%) was roughly 1.4 times higher than the rate for Black people (34%) and 1.2 times higher than the rate for Hispanic people (39%) as of July 6, 2021. White people had a higher vaccination rate compared to Hispanic people in all reporting states, except Virginia, Vermont, Missouri, Louisiana, the District of Columbia, and Tennessee, and a higher rate than Black people in every reporting state, except Oregon, Alaska, and Idaho. However, the size of these differences varied widely across states. For example, White people were over twice as likely to have received a vaccine as Hispanic people in Colorado and South Dakota and had at least a two times higher vaccination rate than Black people in Florida, Iowa, and South Dakota. The overall vaccination rate across states for Asian people was higher compared to White people (62% vs. 47%), which is consistent with the pattern in most reporting states. However, Asian people had lower vaccinations rates than White people in six states (Colorado, Virginia, Utah, North Dakota, Pennsylvania, and South Dakota).As of July 6, less than half of Black and Hispanic people have received at least one COVID-19 vaccine dose in nearly all states reporting data. The vaccination rate for Black people is less than 50% in 39 of 42 reporting states, including 19 states where less than a third of Black people have received one or more doses. Similarly, less than half of Hispanic people have received a COVID-19 vaccine dose in 35 of 40 reporting states, including 13 states where less than a third have received at least one dose. At least half of White people have received a COVID-19 vaccine dose in 13 of 42 states. The rate remains below 50% in the remaining 29 states but falls below a third in only two states. At least half of Asian people have received one or more doses in most reporting states (30 of 39).
Perhaps we can move away from the narrative that the unvaccinated are all "choosing" to ruin it for the rest of us.
Some people are flat out jerks about it. Some also are young and feel they are not at risk.
I cannot imagine for the life of me what LA County is thinking. If the goal to drop the case #'s is to mask up everyone I do not think that'll work. Here's why.
Those who will comply for the most part have already been vaccinated. Those who will NOT comply are largely unvaccinated people. They will still catch/spread Covid because they didn't wear a mask before and will not wear one now.
So what exactly will they accomplish? I'd be willing to bet $1 in a week to 10 days their numbers have stalled at best if not continued to rise. Masking up vaccinated people will have no impact at all. The unvaxxed will continue to not wear masks and make things worse. Their decision makes zero sense.
Those who will comply for the most part have already been vaccinated. Those who will NOT comply are largely unvaccinated people. They will still catch/spread Covid because they didn't wear a mask before and will not wear one now.
So what exactly will they accomplish? I'd be willing to bet $1 in a week to 10 days their numbers have stalled at best if not continued to rise. Masking up vaccinated people will have no impact at all. The unvaxxed will continue to not wear masks and make things worse. Their decision makes zero sense.
Slpy3270
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There is evidence vaccinated people can spread the virus to others regardless of vaccination status. We have no idea how many breakthrough cases there are in the US because no one in the Biden administration is pushing for a database of breakthroughs outside of those leading to hospitalizations and deaths, which is maddening.
Also, the problem isn't really the people who are full-throatedly against vaccinations. There are many college-indebted young people, Hispanics and Blacks in LA County who aren't getting the vaccines because they are in poverty and cannot afford insurance (meaning no protection against surprise billing) and are rightfully distrustful towards the health care system that has historically devalued them over the wealthy for years.
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