Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[hopemax]

I don't ever want to praise Florida too much, but that 84% of 65+ being fully vaccinated is going to come into play. For the states that are struggling: Arkansas 70%, Missouri 77%, Nevada 80%. Other states below 80%: Alabama, Mississippi, Georgia, Illinois, North Dakota, Oklahoma, Tennessee, West Virginia, Wyoming. Arizona, Louisiana & Texas just squeak by at 80/81%

I would attribute this deviation from the number of 65+ population in Florida, originally from states with higher vaccination rates. Even though they now live in FL, they dutifully got their shot as if they were still living up North. They recognized they were at risk, weren't vax hesitant, and took the appropriate action. FL is "going to get away with it" better than their southern neighbors. Lots of people will have some bad days, but it should mostly end there, in terms of severe outcomes (ignoring long-COVID for the moment, that will be another situation, and will take years for the data to unravel). Other states are going to look at FL and think, "We'll be fine too." Without recognizing that for the high risk group, FL "did the work."

 

[DisneyCane]

So 17% is not good right?

That's cumulative, not the past week.

 

[DisneyCane]

Does anyone know a site for Florida that shows how many tests were done? I am curious to know those numbers

You can calculate it for new tests. Approximately 396,547 new tests in the past week. A little under 57k per day.

 

[Disney Experience]

Yes https://www.popsci.com/health/covid-19-booster-shot-moderna/
(First link, no clue what it says but they are testing)

Not sure I agree or less would be placebo. They are dividing it by age too which makes me think the concern is 55+ with Delta and such. Last trial was more randomized I thought. My gut is that they want to see if weakened immune (age or otherwise) is causing an uptick as much as if we just need a booster for all. Otherwise the age distinction wouldn't have been made.

Phase 3 trial was also 50/50 vaccine vs placebo. I think it was triple blinded. They did try to make sure on the phase 3 they balanced potential covid risk and comorbidities. ( Picture the results if all morbidly obese were in either the vaccinated or placebo group ). They tried to balance race, gender, not sure if they skewed age groups. I think the EUA data provided to FDA how close they came to ideals. They later expanded to more people including those with certain chronic infections such as aids which were excluded in the initial cohort of 30000. I also know they excluded my wife due to thyroid issues but Moderna accepted her.

We could probably find the study details ( inclusions, exclusions, type of blinding) of the one you are now enrolled in in clinicaltrials.gov

 

[lazyboy97o]

I'm not angry with her. I'm angry at the antivaxx crowd. They know that preying on fears of infertility goes straight to a part of the brain that all the rational, data-based reassurance in the world can not penetrate. This is evil, pure and simple, and it will cost more lives and misery.

Nope. We have to respect and provide a safe space for people who push dangerous lies because of reasons.

 

[DisneyCane]

Here is the weekly report from the Florida DOH -

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One positive is the number of first doses increased week over week by about 14k if my memory of last week is correct. Concerning thing is the cumulative first did l dose only number indicates a lot of people not getting the second shot. Based on the recent first dose rate it should be under 500k that only have one dose.

 

[Disney Experience]

Here is the weekly report from the Florida DOH -

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Shame that cases are going up ( seems to begin the climb about the time I got it. Lol)

But vaccinations going down.

wish it was the inverse.

Guess it is because many feel that covid will not harm them much or at all given their age, so why vaccinate.

 

[correcaminos]

Phase 3 trial was also 50/50 vaccine vs placebo. I think it was triple blinded. They did try to make sure on the phase 3 they balanced potential covid risk and comorbidities. ( Picture the results if all morbidly obese were in either the vaccinated or placebo group ). They tried to balance race, gender, not sure if they skewed age groups. I think the EUA data provided to FDA how close they came to ideals. They later expanded to more people including those with certain chronic infections such as aids which were excluded in the initial cohort of 30000. I also know they excluded my wife due to thyroid issues but Moderna accepted her.

We could probably find the study details ( inclusions, exclusions, type of blinding) of the one you are now enrolled in in clinicaltrials.gov

Yes the phase 2/3 was 50-50 but that was for all. They are specifically pulling 4k 56+ and within that group they are doing placebos. Then 6k 16-55 with their own 50-50. They are intentionally separating where before I did not read that they did in my first trial paper work. Hope that makes sense.

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

Honestly you are better than me. I'd be mad that they are more willing to listen to stuff found on the internet than a medical professional.

I am really glad that in our schools they are teaching kids about misinformation on the web as a part of Language Arts and such.

The problem is even medical professionals are sending mixed messages, a vaccinated coworker and I were talking about how shocking it is that many of our coworkers still aren’t vaccinated (and therefore wearing masks) and he said his wife wasn’t vaccinated either, her chiropractor brother advised them not to get the vaccines until there’s more data.

He said he keeps trying to convince her but since her brothers a “Doctor” and doesn’t recommend it so she won’t get it. How do you overcome that?

If he sees a dozen patients a day, and those patients tell their friends and family their “doctor” doesn’t recommend the vaccine a single “medical professional” could be swaying hundreds of people a week to not get vaccinated.

Sometimes it feels like a losing battle.

 

[DCBaker]

Here is Mayor Demings response this afternoon -

"Orange County Mayor Jerry Demings is making plans in case it becomes necessary to take action as coronavirus cases continue to swell.

The county reported 700 new infections on Thursday alone, causing concern for the mayor.

“If we approach that number where we see 1,000 new cases a day, that is something that really takes us back to a point in time months ago. It’s been months since we saw those types of cases here within our community. We don’t want to see those numbers go up,” Demings said.

The governor earlier this year signed an executive order suspending all coronavirus emergency orders enacted by local governments, including mask mandates and the ability to fine COVID-19 rule breakers.

“Of course, the legislature for a public health crisis has limited the ability of local governments to enact special emergency orders,“ Demings said. “We have the opportunity to do so but it has to be narrowly tailored for a public health, life and safety-related issue.”

The mayor said he’s monitoring the situation and isn’t at the point where he thinks it’s necessary to take legal action. He added that, “we’re exploring all of our options.”

“But if the numbers worsen, if we get to a point where we see we’re overrunning our hospitals or we potentially could overrun our hospitals then I’ll have to take action because then I could meet the high bar that the Legislature has established to ensure that we’re doing the right thing and we’re not infringing on individual rights,” Demings said.

He didn’t mention any specific action he would take, although he did say as mayor he could potentially have the legal authority to enact a mandate of some sort.

“It has to be narrowly tailored and it has to be related to a major public health crisis,” Demings said."

Orange County mayor ‘exploring all options’ as coronavirus cases spike

Orange County Mayor Jerry Demings is making plans in case it becomes necessary to take action as coronavirus cases continue to swell.

www.clickorlando.com

 

[DisneyCane]

I don't ever want to praise Florida too much, but that 84% of 65+ being fully vaccinated is going to come into play. For the states that are struggling: Arkansas 70%, Missouri 77%, Nevada 80%. Other states below 80%: Alabama, Mississippi, Georgia, Illinois, North Dakota, Oklahoma, Tennessee, West Virginia, Wyoming. Arizona, Louisiana & Texas just squeak by at 80/81%

I would attribute this deviation from the number of 65+ population in Florida, originally from states with higher vaccination rates. Even though they now live in FL, they dutifully got their shot as if they were still living up North. They recognized they were at risk, weren't vax hesitant, and took the appropriate action. FL is "going to get away with it" better than their southern neighbors. Lots of people will have some bad days, but it should mostly end there, in terms of severe outcomes (ignoring long-COVID for the moment, that will be another situation, and will take years for the data to unravel). Other states are going to look at FL and think, "We'll be fine too." Without recognizing that for the high risk group, FL "did the work."

When the vaccines were first becoming available there was A LOT of messaging from FL leaders about protecting our seniors and getting them priority access to the vaccines. Remember the whole thing when Governor Desantis went against the federal government and opened up to 65+ before "essential workers" and other categories and the argument by some that it shouldn't be done that way? There was clear messaging that 65+ was at risk and should get vaccinated ASAP. That's why 65+ got vaccinated at a high rate. A large portion of that population comes from the low vaccination rate states in the Midwest and south as well as native Floridians in the very rural areas.

 

[DisneyCane]

Here is Mayor Demings response this afternoon -

"Orange County Mayor Jerry Demings is making plans in case it becomes necessary to take action as coronavirus cases continue to swell.

The county reported 700 new infections on Thursday alone, causing concern for the mayor.

“If we approach that number where we see 1,000 new cases a day, that is something that really takes us back to a point in time months ago. It’s been months since we saw those types of cases here within our community. We don’t want to see those numbers go up,” Demings said.

The governor earlier this year signed an executive order suspending all coronavirus emergency orders enacted by local governments, including mask mandates and the ability to fine COVID-19 rule breakers.

“Of course, the legislature for a public health crisis has limited the ability of local governments to enact special emergency orders,“ Demings said. “We have the opportunity to do so but it has to be narrowly tailored for a public health, life and safety-related issue.”

The mayor said he’s monitoring the situation and isn’t at the point where he thinks it’s necessary to take legal action. He added that, “we’re exploring all of our options.”

“But if the numbers worsen, if we get to a point where we see we’re overrunning our hospitals or we potentially could overrun our hospitals then I’ll have to take action because then I could meet the high bar that the Legislature has established to ensure that we’re doing the right thing and we’re not infringing on individual rights,” Demings said.

He didn’t mention any specific action he would take, although he did say as mayor he could potentially have the legal authority to enact a mandate of some sort.

“It has to be narrowly tailored and it has to be related to a major public health crisis,” Demings said."

Orange County mayor ‘exploring all options’ as coronavirus cases spike

Orange County Mayor Jerry Demings is making plans in case it becomes necessary to take action as coronavirus cases continue to swell.

www.clickorlando.com

And, by law, the Governor can invalidate the order 1 nanosecond after it is enacted.

 

[Mark52479]

Here is Mayor Demings response this afternoon -

"Orange County Mayor Jerry Demings is making plans in case it becomes necessary to take action as coronavirus cases continue to swell.

The county reported 700 new infections on Thursday alone, causing concern for the mayor.

“If we approach that number where we see 1,000 new cases a day, that is something that really takes us back to a point in time months ago. It’s been months since we saw those types of cases here within our community. We don’t want to see those numbers go up,” Demings said.

The governor earlier this year signed an executive order suspending all coronavirus emergency orders enacted by local governments, including mask mandates and the ability to fine COVID-19 rule breakers.

“Of course, the legislature for a public health crisis has limited the ability of local governments to enact special emergency orders,“ Demings said. “We have the opportunity to do so but it has to be narrowly tailored for a public health, life and safety-related issue.”

The mayor said he’s monitoring the situation and isn’t at the point where he thinks it’s necessary to take legal action. He added that, “we’re exploring all of our options.”

“But if the numbers worsen, if we get to a point where we see we’re overrunning our hospitals or we potentially could overrun our hospitals then I’ll have to take action because then I could meet the high bar that the Legislature has established to ensure that we’re doing the right thing and we’re not infringing on individual rights,” Demings said.

He didn’t mention any specific action he would take, although he did say as mayor he could potentially have the legal authority to enact a mandate of some sort.

“It has to be narrowly tailored and it has to be related to a major public health crisis,” Demings said."

Orange County mayor ‘exploring all options’ as coronavirus cases spike

Orange County Mayor Jerry Demings is making plans in case it becomes necessary to take action as coronavirus cases continue to swell.

www.clickorlando.com

He keeps saying "narrowly tailored" for a reason.

Honestly, there really isn't much he can do.

Since the State of Florida is no longer in state of emergency, and with this new law in Florida, his hands are pretty tied.

 

[Figgy1]

And I say, you're incorrect - and that a good number of people wanted to see things get far worse, and are disappointed that they didn't get the pandemic they hoped for.
So, they are pinning their hopes on a resurgence.

I don't know of a single person who thinks that way. I for one can't wait until things are better under control so I can get out and go more places.

 

[GimpYancIent]

No, according to the WHO, anything over 5% is really bad. WHO says anything over 5% should equal lock down pretty much.

The "W.H.O." developed a credibility problem last year and has not emerged from it.

 

[Jrb1979]

And I say, you're incorrect - and that a good number of people wanted to see things get far worse, and are disappointed that they didn't get the pandemic they hoped for.
So, they are pinning their hopes on a resurgence.

For me I don't necessarily want it worse. I just wanted more people to take it seriously. From those who believed " if people only took their diet more seriously we wouldn't be in this problem" to "what about the chips that are being implanted in the vaccines" too many people have gone of deep end when it comes to Covid. Personally I'm not surprised with a resurgence of cases again. People deserve the consequences from their actions.

 

[disneygeek90]

20% of all US cases are in Florida now.

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

So do dentists. I hope people don't get their vaccine info while having a cavity drilled.

I’d wager a lot of people take medical advice from their dentist also. Same with pharmacists, scientists, and other medical related professionals who aren’t medical doctors.

 

[Jrb1979]

20% of all US cases are in Florida now.

Consequences of their actions. I'm not even sad anymore.

 

[KrzyKtty]

So do dentists. I hope people don't get their vaccine info while having a cavity drilled.

Totally off topic from Disney and COVID, but you would be surprised LOL. My dentist does scans when doing x-rays; along with blood pressure. Almost gave my husband (35) a heart attack when they said it appeared a vein in his neck was blocked and he should get it scanned..... (No issue except with scan).

His doctor almost laughed him out of the office, got annoyed at the dentist, and then still tried to sign him up for the expensive ultrasound, "Just in case..."