Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[correcaminos]

If we need the booster I’m all for it.

Unfortunately it will further fracture us into more groups.

You will have the vaccinated that refuse to get the booster.

You will get the booster people who will refuse to mask and social distance because they did their part.

You will have the group that thinks the booster people should mask to protect the unvaccinated and non boostered.

This is going to start to be hard to keep track of.

Again my gut based on the age distinction (56+ vs 16-55... confirmed ages in paperwork sorry if I mistyped earlier) is that this might be for more weakened immune systems first. They are comparing not only placebos with nons, but with those two age groups.

 

[willtravel]

But is that all it will take, or is that just an convenient excuse?

I guess we will find out in January 2022.

 

[Mark52479]

Does anyone know a site for Florida that shows how many tests were done? I am curious to know those numbers

 

[oceanbreeze77]

Here is the weekly report from the Florida DOH -

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not a good trend. not a good trend at all.

 

[DCBaker]

Does anyone know a site for Florida that shows how many tests were done? I am curious to know those numbers

There may be a better place, but this is what I could find from the CDC -

 

[Mark52479]

There may be a better place, but this is what I could find from the CDC -

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thanks

 

[Trauma]

So I’m terrible at charts math everything.

From what I’m seeing here it doesn’t look like hospitalizations are decoupled from cases?

Can someone help me out with that?

 

[Heppenheimer]

Another example of how insidious anti-vaxxer propaganda has infiltrated the general public.

I just had a conversation with a young patient who said she is waiting a year to get the vaccine because she did her "research" and has concerns about the vaccine's effect on fertility.

This brought me back to circa 2006-2008. Social media was in its infancy. We had started using the first HPV vaccine, but even back then, the antivaxxers were spreading false rumors that the vaccine would make women infertile, despite a complete lack of evidence in this or any other vaccine ever having that side effect, or a feasible biologic mechanism that could cause infertility.

I patiently explained this to the young woman, who otherwise seemed reasonable, and also elaborated that it is really, really difficult to unknowingly cause infertility with any medication other than chemotherapy. I also explained that with the extremely contagious delta variant on the rise, she is putting both herself and her potential fetus at exponentially far greater risk.

In the end, no dice. She "read things online" that had her concerned. I'm not angry with her. I'm angry at the antivaxx crowd. They know that preying on fears of infertility goes straight to a part of the brain that all the rational, data-based reassurance in the world can not penetrate. This is evil, pure and simple, and it will cost more lives and misery.

 

[KrzyKtty]

If we need the booster I’m all for it.

Unfortunately it will further fracture us into more groups.

You will have the vaccinated that refuse to get the booster.

You will get the booster people who will refuse to mask and social distance because they did their part.

You will have the group that thinks the booster people should mask to protect the unvaccinated and non boostered.

This is going to start to be hard to keep track of.

If the booster is actually proven to be beneficial to booster effective rates and not just for mental pats on the back, I would think those people should get the right to just do whatever they want at that point. After three shots in one year, I would assume they would be vaccinated enough where they wouldn't transmit anything to anybody anymore, or at least at such a marginal amount it's not worth the trouble. Granted, that's part of what the studies are for is to determine those things. By the time that gets authorized anyway, we will probably have children vaccinations. At that point if you had the opportunity to get a vaccination, and don't have a medical reason to not get one, what happens happens. Disney is unable to cater to every group, nor should they. At the end of the day they should encourage everyone to do what they can to keep the children safe. But at a certain point it just is what it is for them. They can't be expected to go like this for four or five years while things run its course.

 

[correcaminos]

Another example of how insidious anti-vaxxer propaganda has infiltrated the general public.

I just had a conversation with a young patient who said she is waiting a year to get the vaccine because she did her "research" and has concerns about the vaccine's effect on fertility.

This brought me back to circa 2006-2008. Social media was in its infancy. We had started using the first HPV vaccine, but even back then, the antivaxxers were spreading false rumors that the vaccine would make women infertile, despite a complete lack of evidence in this or any other vaccine ever having that side effect, or a feasible biologic mechanism that could cause infertility.

I patiently explained this to the young woman, who otherwise seemed reasonable, and also elaborated that it is really, really difficult to unknowingly cause infertility with any medication other than chemotherapy. I also explained that with the extremely contagious delta variant on the rise, she is putting both herself and her potential fetus at exponentially far greater risk.

In the end, no dice. She "read things online" that had her concerned. I'm not angry with her. I'm angry at the antivaxx crowd. They know that preying on fears of infertility goes straight to a part of the brain that all the rational, data-based reassurance in the world can not penetrate. This is evil, pure and simple, and it will cost more lives and misery.

Honestly you are better than me. I'd be mad that they are more willing to listen to stuff found on the internet than a medical professional.

I am really glad that in our schools they are teaching kids about misinformation on the web as a part of Language Arts and such.

 

[KrzyKtty]

So 17% is not good right?

No, according to the WHO, anything over 5% is really bad. WHO says anything over 5% should equal lock down pretty much.

 

[Trauma]

No, according to the WHO, anything over 5% is really bad. WHO says anything over 5% should equal lock down pretty much.

Yeah I know.

Sorry I just don’t do sarcasm very well.

 

[KrzyKtty]

Yeah I know.

Sorry I just don’t do sarcasm very well.

Totally sorry then.

 

[Mark52479]

No, according to the WHO, anything over 5% is really bad. WHO says anything over 5% should equal lock down pretty much.

We all know there is no chance of that happening here in FL. Which is why I got vaccinated as soon as I could back in April

 

[Andrew C]

We all know there is no chance of that happening here in FL. Which is why I got vaccinated as soon as I could back in April

Guesses on how many in the 17% are unvaccinated?

 

[Mark52479]

Guesses on how many in the 17% are unvaccinated?

Well if we go by the repot from OC the other day, I would say 99% of the 17% are not vaccinated

 

[Andrew C]

Well if we go by the repot from OC the other day, I would say 99% of the 17% are not vaccinated

I think 99% number was the current hospitalizations for those unvaccinated. But yea, I imagine the cases are not far off from that. Seeing that all over. Sucks. Unnecessary.

 

[DCBaker]

Here's data specifically for Orange County -

 

[DisneyCane]

Well if we go by the repot from OC the other day, I would say 99% of the 17% are not vaccinated

I think it was 96.4% which translates to over 95% vaccine effectiveness against infection with the current variant mix.

 

[hopemax]

I don't ever want to praise Florida too much, but that 84% of 65+ being fully vaccinated is going to come into play. For the states that are struggling: Arkansas 70%, Missouri 77%, Nevada 80%. Other states below 80%: Alabama, Mississippi, Georgia, Illinois, North Dakota, Oklahoma, Tennessee, West Virginia, Wyoming. Arizona, Louisiana & Texas just squeak by at 80/81%

I would attribute this deviation from the number of 65+ population in Florida, originally from states with higher vaccination rates. Even though they now live in FL, they dutifully got their shot as if they were still living up North. They recognized they were at risk, weren't vax hesitant, and took the appropriate action. FL is "going to get away with it" better than their southern neighbors. Lots of people will have some bad days, but it should mostly end there, in terms of severe outcomes (ignoring long-COVID for the moment, that will be another situation, and will take years for the data to unravel). Other states are going to look at FL and think, "We'll be fine too." Without recognizing that for the high risk group, FL "did the work."