Disney Glimpses
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I disagree. It's okay to say a healthy 30 year old is highly unlikely to experience a negative outcome from not getting vaccinated. Because, it's just simply the truth. However, It's also okay to call them selfish.
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SamusAranX
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Of course they should, but many aren't. They were never going to in the first place, and now that everything is reopened without some system in place to differentiate and mitigate publicly accordingly, these same people have no incentive whatsoever to get vaccinated, as altruism and care for others isn't doing the trick
Disney Glimpses
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Even with the delta 'surge,' COVID hospitalizations are still at their lowest point ever since early March of 2020 (which had far more incomplete data). We haven't had an increase in hospitalizations since April.
We can discuss cases all we want. But we're not not trying to prevent a common cold, we're trying to prevent death. So far, that is still very much working.
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We can discuss cases all we want. But we're not not trying to prevent a common cold, we're trying to prevent death. So far, that is still very much working.
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Heppenheimer
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That supposition was questionable last spring and summer, and now flat out wrong with the current delta variant. It is hitting young people considerably harder than the previous variants.
I've been practicing medicine for more than 15 years, and I have never in my life seen so many young, otherwise healthy people wiped out by COVID-19. Fortunately, I don't have any patients in the 20-40 year old bracket who have died from the disease (although at least one passed it to a parent, who then died), but more than a few required hospitalization, and none of those who were unlucky enough to develop PASC (aka, "long COVID") have yet to recover to their previous level of functioning. Even almost a year later.
The standard vaccine schedule includes diseases with far less severe and far less frequent complications than COVID-19. Yet, nobody but an antivaxxer would say, "That's OK, go ahead and skip your MMR. You probably won't get the encephalitis from measles, infertility from mumps, and who cares if your fetus gets birth defects from rubella?"
Disney Glimpses
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I appreciate your personal but anecdotal experience but hospitalizations, in the United States, in young people has never been lower than it is right now with Delta. It is certainly not flat out wrong:
LittleBuford
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The number of hospitalisations is rising in the UK, for what that’s worth.Even with the delta 'surge,' COVID hospitalizations are still at their lowest point ever since early March of 2020 (which had far more incomplete data). We haven't had an increase in hospitalizations since April.
We can discuss cases all we want. But we're not not trying to prevent a common cold, we're trying to prevent death. So far, that is still very much working.
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correcaminos
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Why are you anti-vax? Totally curious.
I just posted that I was called to be screened for a Delta variant because of the issues it's caused. Keep in mind in the 12 months since I originally signed up, this is the first modification to the trial (outside of unblinding) I've had. I mean look at India and what it did to unvaccinated. This seems so counterproductive to post.
Heppenheimer
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Because absolute numbers are down, that's why. The proportion of young adults now hospitalized with COVID-19 is now between 20-40% of all cases, which is much higher than it was last year. I'll need to find the exact numbers from our weekly committee meeting, but these suggests that on an individual case basis, the chances of being hospitalized now from COVID-19 in the 19-40 demographic are about 2-3 times greater currently than in the same period last summer.
And don't forget PASC.
Disney Glimpses
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Is that actually true though? I would like to see this graph against case numbers. Regardless, we should offer a stimulus to every tax payer (16 and older) to get vaccinated.
Disney Glimpses
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What suggests that I am anti-vax? Quite the opposite. I think we should be paying people to get vaccinated.
lazyboy97o
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You can ignore it all you want but it is the same rationalization based on the same misunderstand of the orders of magnitude of difference between the risks.
Disney Glimpses
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I agree with you that the level of risk in that age group is wholly incomparable. I don't think we'll ever convince 30 year olds otherwise though. If we paid them, they may change their mind.
A 30 year old is 7x more likely to die from COVID than the flu. Still technically 'low' risk but silly to not get vaccinated; especially if you have not had COVID already, why roll the dice.
correcaminos
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Convincing sub 30 they don't need a shot.
TrainsOfDisney
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I’m apparently anti-vax as well even though I agree with you that stimulus for vaccinated Americans would be a great idea!
lazyboy97o
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Again, you yourself don’t have to be anti-vax to spread their lies.
Heppenheimer
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Well, I can't disagree with that idea. I would have preferred a stick would have been paired with a carrot, though.
Disney Glimpses
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I don't think I'm doing that. I don't think we need to lie to 20 year olds and tell them if they got COVID there's a good chance they'll end up in the hospital or worse because there's simply nothing to support that.
correcaminos
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It would be a fantastic idea. I think you need to realize that the more one promotes anti-vax rehtoric, the more people will believe one is. Giving data that is incorrect or irrelevant that discourages others from vaccination is dangerous and kinda harmful. Is that hard to understand?
I get it now. Just following the string that got lost. My mistake.
Heppenheimer
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Again, we already vaccinate them for conditions with far less likely morbidity and mortality. Most of all preventative medicine is built around preventing bad outcomes that on an annual basis, are far less likely than a COVID hospitalization or PASC.
Willmark
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Remotely any question of authority and orthodoxy means you’re anti vax and a threat to human life, simply by being concerned and having skepticism.
Didn’t you know that?
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