Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

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ELG13

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Correlation is not causation. A relative just died (3 days ago) of a rapid onset cancer - the definitive diagnosis was finally made the day before he died; they did not test him for Covid-19, but had they done so, he might very well have tested positive. But that is not what killed him.

So it may be that testing showed that this patient had the more common type of seasonal flu related pneumonia rather than the atypical type associated with Covid-19. I suspect that many people who have died recently also are positive for Covid-19 - even if killed in a car accident.
I just have a hard time understanding, which is why I'm not a doctor lol, how someone can have a pneumonia type of illness, also have covid-19, but they can rule out the covid-19 being the cause since it's a respiratory virus. Is it similar to the saying that cancer doesn't kill you, the chemo does? I guess I'm just more curious as to the testing after the fact that determines this. Which came first, the pneumonia or the covid-19? I just understand it to where if you get covid-19, it's leads to a type of pneumonia, and that's what kills you. Like you mentioned, is there a specific type of pneumonia you have to have in order for it to be considered covid-19 related?? Or can you have both and they aren't necessarily mutually exclusive of the two?
 

21stamps

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If you’re not part of the solution...

but if it is just time off work “vacation” that’s different, and smart.

...or risky. Depends if your company looks at it like you’re bailing during a crisis. And will note it for the future. That’s my concern.
 

The Mom

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I just have a hard time understanding, which is why I'm not a doctor lol, how someone can have a pneumonia type of illness, also have covid-19, but they can rule out the covid-19 being the cause since it's a respiratory virus. Is it similar to the saying that cancer doesn't kill you, the chemo does? I guess I'm just more curious as to the testing after the fact that determines this. Which came first, the pneumonia or the covid-19? I just understand it to where if you get covid-19, it's leads to a type of pneumonia, and that's what kills you. Like you mentioned, is there a specific type of pneumonia you have to have in order for it to be considered covid-19 related?? Or can you have both and they aren't necessarily mutually exclusive of the two?

Yes to your last statement. The doctors in his case seem to believe that the pneumonia may have developed before the Covid-19, especially because the seasonal flu is a common factor this time of year. Or it could have been a bacterial pneumonia.

Pneumonia, like Cancer or Heart Disease, is a common umbrella term that is used for an illness that has multiple causes.
 

The Mom

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I didn’t think that post would be misinterpreted.lol

Most posters understood that you didn't mean you were going to fly off somewhere. I know that many companies have a use it or lose it policy, and as I recall you had already blocked out some vacation time? At least you would be paid for the time if your company furloughs you.

My son chose not to do this as he has a trip planned in August and hopes that things will be better by then.
 

ImperfectPixie

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Why would it be a joke? A lot of companies are offering to take PTO if someone needs it.. whether for sickness, to care for sick, or if kids are out of school, or if you’re not comfortable working right now.
Some are offering it without using your regular vacation time, some are not. Mine is in the ‘not’ category.

How in the world would that be a “ joke”?
Hubby was going to put in for his PTO to help offset the few weeks he'll be out of work, but we opted to save them for when he goes back as business is likely to be spotty (hopefully not for too long). He installs floors for a living...both residential and commercial.
...or risky. Depends if your company looks at it like you’re bailing during a crisis. And will note it for the future. That’s my concern.
I would hope they wouldn't use that as marks against you due to a national health crisis, but I also asked hubby last night if his boss and the office manager were talking as if they fully expect him to come back because they haven't proven to be the most trustworthy people in the past.
 

ToTBellHop

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I am so sick of fear-mongering with clickbaity headlines based upon bad data. “COVID-19 cases spike 40% in one day!” That’s obviously due to heightened testing. Statisticians (the same who give us flu approximations despite very few actual confirmations of illness) suggest somewhere around 10 million Americans currently have COVID-19, not 13000, which is just silly. This certainly better explains rate of spread. It also lowers mortality rate among all groups. Avoid crowded places and we will weather this storm soon enough. The next 8 weeks are key. And ignore CNN.

If you have summer vacation plans, you can comfortably keep them.
 

21stamps

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Hubby was going to put in for his PTO to help offset the few weeks he'll be out of work, but we opted to save them for when he goes back as business is likely to be spotty (hopefully not for too long). He installs floors for a living...both residential and commercial.

I would hope they wouldn't use that as marks against you due to a national health crisis, but I also asked hubby last night if his boss and the office manager were talking as if they fully expect him to come back because they haven't proven to be the most trustworthy people in the past.

This is the question that I think a lot of people are facing right now, as The Mom with her son as well.. Use it, or wait this out and hope for the best. Not an easy decision for millions of Americans at this moment..Too many unknown variables. Could be a gamble either way.
 

ImperfectPixie

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This is the question that I think a lot of people are facing right now, as The Mom with her son as well.. Use it, or wait this out and hope for the best. Not an easy decision for millions of Americans right now. Too many unknown variables.
Fortunately, since he's filing for unemployment, they DO allow you to work while collecting (at least in our state). There's an income cap (it was around $230 when I last collected 14 years ago) where you can earn that much without your unemployment check changing, then if you are above that, they just subtract the difference.
 

21stamps

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Agreed, That's a question that each family faces. Many I know live paycheck to paycheck so they need to utilize PTO now.

I think that would be the worst choice in that type of scenario. Then what happens if they really do get sick? If they need it now due this home schooling/child care mess, then use it, and then if shutdown happens they’ll be home anyway afterwards.
There’s just no way to know if shutdowns will come, or not. That’s the tricky part.
 

thomas998

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Who is going to PAY for it? And do you really think any lab could be bothered with testing 35,000+ people because they want to go to a theme park?
With the number of companies developing the test, it is only a matter of time until they become as simple as a home pregnancy test, when that happens it would be easy to do the tests for every guest. Think about how cheap a home pregnancy test has become a couple of dollars. They will end up mass produced and very cheap.
 

ImperfectPixie

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With the number of companies developing the test, it is only a matter of time until they become as simple as a home pregnancy test, when that happens it would be easy to do the tests for every guest. Think about how cheap a home pregnancy test has become a couple of dollars. They will end up mass produced and very cheap.
I hope you're right, but I'm not a virologist or lab worker, so I don't even know if that's possible in this case. And a good pregnancy test cost at minimum $20 about 10 years ago (the last time I was pregnant). That adds up. If Disney does decide to test (which I really don't think they will - they don't want to be associated with being tested for a virus), they'll pass the cost on to us.
 
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