Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[havoc315]

Now this is a great post I truly appreciate this.

So basically if things are bad my chances of infection are around 5%.

Now I would like to learn my chances of death if that happens.

Btw I’m not asking this because I’m lazy it’s just so confusing to find honest data now I don’t know where to look.

No, that's over-simplification. As community spread increases and precautions are reduced, risk of infection and death increases. You can't quantify it as a single number --- there are too many factors. But everything is interconnected.

For example, if you don't prevent wide spread in your community --- Then it is more likely to spread to a high risk population in a nursing home. There was a recent nursing home with 3 breakthrough deaths, after staff members brought Covid into the facility.

So even if YOUR risk was low... YOUR behavior, and the behavior of others in YOUR community... may put the residents of that nursing home at a significant risk of Covid death. It's all interconnected.

 

[DisneyDebRob]

Not an impenetrable shield is an important point. In many areas, it was an even more important 5 months ago when spread was much higher.

Combine that with this map.
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Someone in a blue low transmission are, the vaccine is probably all the mitigation needed. Someone unvaccinated, good ventilation is probably enough too.

Someone in a high area though, it's more questionable. Some extra mitigation beyond the vaccine is probably a good idea when in poorly ventilated areas with unknown people.

If it's raining, and the vaccine is a rain coat. In a light rain, it's more than enough. In a stronger downpour, having an umbrella too would be nice. If it's a hurricane, both may still not be enough to keep you completely dry.

From that map, I don't think there's a hurricane level of transmission anywhere in the US. Perhaps MO is trending towards that.

The comparison you made of “if it’s raining “ is on point. Perfect way to put it.

 

[Archie123]

Then this was certainly your year(s)

Unfortunately true.

 

[Trauma]

No, that's over-simplification. As community spread increases and precautions are reduced, risk of infection and death increases. You can't quantify it as a single number --- there are too many factors. But everything is interconnected.

For example, if you don't prevent wide spread in your community --- Then it is more likely to spread to a high risk population in a nursing home. There was a recent nursing home with 3 breakthrough deaths, after staff members brought Covid into the facility.

So even if YOUR risk was low... YOUR behavior, and the behavior of others in YOUR community... may put the residents of that nursing home at a significant risk of Covid death. It's all interconnected.

My entire family is fully vaccinated. What more can I do to not put my community at risk ?

 

[KrzyKtty]

So Orange County currently is a medium risk level of seven new cases per 100,000. So get vaccinated, take precautions for children that you feel are appropriate, and move on with your life. Debating back and forth about what the theme park should and should not do when they have already made their decisions is a little bit ridiculous. If you don't feel comfortable with their decisions you don't go.

 

[correcaminos]

But, the cruise has just begun. I wouldn't feel safe until they make it home (I mean, other cruising perils notwithstanding).

It has, I was more remarking on the measures taken - which other cruise lines could if they wanted to. You are not required to show proof of vaccine, but if you don't, you're treated different. Apparently is okay to do even in FL.

1.6 billion Indians (when you take into account migrants) were infected? The UK has a population of 68 million. Yet even with reporting issues, the pandemic seems to be going the wrong way in the UK - ie nearly a 500% growth rate in 2 months. And going the right way in India - as in cases fallen from almost 400,000 a few months ago to now approaching 35,000.

I'm just curious as to how that could happen?

I already explained hows and whys it happened in previous post to you, but will repeat once more. What went on in India was months and months of it running rampant with no vaccines really to speak of. UK is in a different boat. It hit them later. They have a decent portion partially immunized, if not fully. One trying to compare both in real time (like looking at today vs using a timeline of when the first delta variant was found) is not wise. Honestly I am baffled why you cannot see what happened in India and why UK is different. India is worlds apart in what goes on there in terms of medical situations. It broke my heart to watch it happen in India since they had no vaccines to speak of really when it started. 19% finally have 1 dose, but only about 4% are fully vaccinated. Natural immunity took place and started dropping numbers. Viruses do it, but at great cost which we saw there.

Comparing even the UK which uses a different schedule for vaccination and is at different ages for vaccination is also not wise. We also use a mix of different vaccines. I'm not trying to pick on AZ, but last I read it was only 60% effective over the Delta variant. Only about 33% with one dose. mRNA vaccines are around 90% against Delta. That all plays into things for here too vs across the pond.

Even though we dropped the optimism from the thread title I‘ll share this here anyway:

Study suggests Pfizer, Moderna COVID-19 vaccines could provide 'years' of protection

Study suggests Pfizer, Moderna COVID-19 vaccines could provide 'years' of protection

www.yahoo.com

I read that earlier and was quite happy to see it!

 

[Trauma]

Perhaps it will ironically be the insurance companies that end this in the states.

If they increase premiums on unvaccinated like they do on smokers it would have a large effect.

That cost would get passed on to employers who can require vaccination.

It will be time to get vaccinated or lose your job.

 

[Flugell]

I understand that when looked at by numbers, though percentages and numbers are not comparable that it may appear that the U.K. is being overwhelmed, speaking from the U.K. that is not the case.
On April 28th 2021 there were 2,166 confirmed new cases.
Today the number of confirmed new cases was 22,818 a slightly more than 10 times increase.
Hospital admissions on April 28th 2021 were 107.
Hospital admissions on June 28th 2021 were 227 this is slightly more than double.
The weekly number of deaths for the week of 28th April 2021 was 21.
The weekly number of deaths for this week is 93.
93 is too many but it is definitely not the gloom and doom scenario that I keep seeing on this thread.
Our vaccination rate is continuing to increase rapidly and tests are rapidly available so please don’t despair yet!

As for the situation in India, I have no personal experience as I have never been nor have relatives there. I have however watched various detailed programmes on the situation in India, though appreciate that it maybe biased or simply inaccurate! The situation, as it was presented, is that everything was under reported because
1. Tests were only available at hospitals and they had often run out.
2. There was insufficient time and staff to process all the tests that were administered.
3. Without an official positive COVID test deaths were not recorded as COVID related even though all symptoms were present.
4. In areas outside the big cities there was only minimal health care available so records of cases were not recorded accurately.
5. In cities the hospitals were overwhelmed and didn’t have the time or facilities to record everything accurately.
6. No idea why cases appear to be falling so rapidly but truly hope this is the case and it has burnt itself out and it is not due to a shortage of tests, shortage of medical facilities or government manipulation of figures. I have no evidence for any of these scenarios and am simply speculating and as I stated previously hope that cases are indeed declining naturally!

I have explained this
Repeating questions does not change the answer!!

Vaccines highly effective against hospitalisation from Delta variant

New analysis by PHE shows for the first time that 2 doses of COVID-19 vaccines are highly effective against hospitalisation from the Delta (B.1.617.2) variant.

www.gov.uk

This was also posted in answer to the question.

 

[Zummi Gummi]

Perhaps it will ironically be the insurance companies that end this in the states.

If they increase premiums on unvaccinated like they do on smokers it would have a large effect.

That cost would get passed on to employers who can require vaccination.

It will be time to get vaccinated or lose your job.

I said this pages ago, but I believe that once the vaccines receive full authorization, this is absolutely 100% coming to pass.

 

[havoc315]

My entire family is fully vaccinated. What more can I do to not put my community at risk ?

Encourage others to be vaccinated. If there is high community spread, then avoid crowded poorly ventilated gatherings. If you can’t avoid a crowded poorly ventilated gathering, then you mask. You continue to abide by any public health laws.

 

[Sorcerer Mickey]

Perhaps it will ironically be the insurance companies that end this in the states.

If they increase premiums on unvaccinated like they do on smokers it would have a large effect.

That cost would get passed on to employers who can require vaccination.

It will be time to get vaccinated or lose your job.

Absolutely. They already try hard not to cover anything else, so might as well use their parasitic presence in society to do good.

 

[LittleBuford]

A bit of sensationalism. His definition of "serious illness" has a very low threshold. The issue with COVID is when it causes people to have an illness which could be life threatening. A couple of days of uncomfortable "flu-like" symptoms is not an issue. I don't think there is anybody on earth over 25 years old that hasn't been sick like that at least once in their life.

I know the article was trying to encourage people who have been vaccinated to still take measures not to spread infection but could possibly add to a "vaccines don't work" narrative by anti-vax people.

The symptoms he describes, including loss of smell, are those I associate with a “classic” case of Covid; I for one was surprised that a fully vaccinated person could have as bad a time of it. Yes, he recovered, but we’ve all heard of individuals who were left with Long Covid after an initial flu-like experience, and that’s what most concerns me.

To be clear, I’m not a Doom and Gloomer (the term used to be so much more innocuous before it was commandeered in this thread), and I encourage everyone to be vaccinated. I’m sure Marr would have suffered much more severely had he not been.

 

[Turtlekrawl]

Case numbers will go up significantly in the US in the coming weeks. Delta is outpacing vaccinations at this point. Interestingly, many places are stopping covid testing prior to elective surgery in fully vaccinated patients. This will lead to an even larger undercount of asymptomatic covid cases.

But… vaccines work to prevent severe illness in the vast majority. This is clear. I do think the bump in hospitalizations and death should be much smaller than we saw in previous waves.

Aa much as we don’t want to see another wave, a silver lining is it may convince more people to get vaccinated.

 

[KrzyKtty]

Perhaps it will ironically be the insurance companies that end this in the states.

If they increase premiums on unvaccinated like they do on smokers it would have a large effect.

That cost would get passed on to employers who can require vaccination.

It will be time to get vaccinated or lose your job.

I live in a highly conservative state and that's already affecting people in my job. I'm a government contractor. My employer can't require people to get vaccinated, but the project our employees work on requires a lot of international travel. There is an illusion of choice for the employees regarding if they will get vaccinated or not, but not really. Because at the end of the day our government customer is refusing to send people on international travel, and therefore paying to quarantine them in that country, if they have vaccinated people available to them that would not require a quarantine. Basically, if Italy says vaccinated people can come right in but unvaccinated people need to quarantine for 10 days, guess who the government is going to send? And if they can't send you, and your job is to be able to travel, what good are you? And if you're not any good for the job you're hired for, why are we going to keep you? At that point it's not even really being fired for not getting vaccinated, it's being fired for not being able to perform your job. And you can't perform your job because you are costing the government more money by your choice.

 

[KrzyKtty]

Encourage others to be vaccinated. If there is high community spread, then avoid crowded poorly ventilated gatherings. If you can’t avoid a crowded poorly ventilated gathering, then you mask. You continue to abide by any public health laws.

Except the CDC and public health laws state that fully vaccinated people do not need to wear a mask......

 

[Trauma]

Encourage others to be vaccinated. If there is high community spread, then avoid crowded poorly ventilated gatherings. If you can’t avoid a crowded poorly ventilated gathering, then you mask. You continue to abide by any public health laws.

You told a story of a nursing home. Where the employees who passed on the virus fully vaccinated?

If not what type of crap hole nursing home would allow unvaccinated employees?

 

[havoc315]

You told a story of a nursing home. Where the employees who passed on the virus fully vaccinated?

If not what type of crap hole nursing home would allow unvaccinated employees?

A state where the employer is prohibited from asking employees their vaccination status...

 

[havoc315]

Except the CDC and public health laws state that fully vaccinated people do not need to wear a mask......

Actually, no. They do require fully vaccinated people to wear a mask on airplanes, etc.

 

[Horizons '83]

Except the CDC and public health laws state that fully vaccinated people do not need to wear a mask......

Yep, the faucet has been opened and it will be tough to turn it off again.

 

[KrzyKtty]

Actually, no. They do require fully vaccinated people to wear a mask on airplanes, etc.

True, but that's not Disney World or Universal.... I actually just read the CDC website again. It does state that you should wear a mask on all indoor forms of transportation, but otherwise it pretty plainly states you can resume life as normal while adhering to local, state, and federal governmental laws and regulations. I just find it really strange that on a thread that's supposed to be about the Corona virus and Walt Disney World, we have pages and pages of discussion about wearing masks in public.... It doesn't even seem to be geared towards Disney anymore?