Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[Zummi Gummi]

Wow, that is a spectacularly poorly thought out law, that a local government can not set health policy as they see fit for local conditions?

Well, it's coming from the same guy who's fighting the cruise industry on vaccine requirements, so...

 

[DisneyCane]

Wow, that is a spectacularly poorly thought out law, that a local government can not set health policy as they see fit for local conditions?

Technically, it says that local, non-weather related emergencies can only last for a maximum of 42 days, must be renewed weekly and can not be replaced by a "substantially similar" emergency order. It also states that any local, non-weather related order can be invalidated by the Governor at any time prior to expiration.

For all intents and purposes, it means that no future COVID-related emergency order can be introduced locally. If COVID is still an issue at the earliest time that there is possibly a different Governor and/or legislature, then there is really no point to any order as the State of Emergency will be nearing its third year at that point.

Well, it's coming from the same guy who's fighting the cruise industry on vaccine requirements, so...

No, it's coming from the State Legislature who wrote and passed the law.

 

[Zummi Gummi]

Technically, it says that local, non-weather related emergencies can only last for a maximum of 42 days, must be renewed weekly and can not be replaced by a "substantially similar" emergency order. It also states that any local, non-weather related order can be invalidated by the Governor at any time prior to expiration.

For all intents and purposes, it means that no future COVID-related emergency order can be introduced locally. If COVID is still an issue at the earliest time that there is possibly a different Governor and/or legislature, then there is really no point to any order as the State of Emergency will be nearing its third year at that point.

No, it's coming from the State Legislature who wrote and passed the law.

....A legislature from the same party as the governor who's been acting as his rubber stamp all year, passing all of his legislative priorities that he signs into law.

 

[havoc315]

So I keep reading about all then unvaccinated people that Im suppose to be so concerned about because they can’t take 10 minutes out of their day to get a free shot.

If fully vaccinated people can spread it to other fully vaccinated people leading to hospitalizations and deaths in large enough numbers to be of concern then that’s a problem.

I don’t see any data that’s even close to suggesting that’s happening.

That’s just like the doom of rising case numbers in Europe.

I don’t care how many people are infected.

How many vaccinated people are infected and how many of them are sick enough to be hospitalized or die.

Those are the numbers that matter.

The answer is much fewer than unvaccinated. But enough to be a concern.

 

[DisneyCane]

Re: DCL

It astounds me that after over a year, they still are experiencing problems with false-positive tests.

All medical tests have false results. In any test, there has to be a threshold created for what constitutes a positive result. If it is set too low then everybody will test positive and if it is set too high then almost everybody will test negative.

Read the disclaimer on the Cologuard commercial for an example.

 

[havoc315]

 

[DisneyCane]

The answer is much fewer than unvaccinated. But enough to be a concern.

What number of hospitalizations or deaths among vaccinated people is your threshold for concern?

 

[DisneyCane]

How about we start the chart a few weeks earlier for perspective? I guess that wouldn't cause enough panic.

 

[dreday3]

The answer is much fewer than unvaccinated. But enough to be a concern.

How many vaccinated are hospitalized with severe disease and/or dying? We all know (or should know) that you can still get the virus while being vaccinated, but your risk for severe disease is very low.

I can't take this anymore. Everything is a panic.

 

[GimpYancIent]

....A legislature from the same party as the governor who's been acting as his rubber stamp all year, passing all of his legislative priorities that he signs into law.

So! Not unique. Cali has been doing the same thing until recently when We The People realized things had gone too far in the wrong direction. Fl has been going in the correct direction. WDW is doing well and steadily working at progressing while DL is just restarting.

 

[KrzyKtty]

Even with the Delta variant, most reports I have read said that at least the Pfizer vaccine is pretty successful against it... Unless I'm reading the wrong reports???

I think at the end of the day the answer is to make sure as much of your family is fully vaccinated as possible, and for the young ones that can't be yet just take precautions.

 

[havoc315]

What number of hospitalizations or deaths among vaccinated people is your threshold for concern?

Concern? Any avoidable death or serious illness is a concern.

Too many people seem to have lost perspective. There are those who, even when thousands of people were dying per day, were taking the attitude of "nothing to see here.... this isn't a concern.."
Then there are those who want to panic and go into a full lockdown because there is a 2% rise in Covid.

There are varying levels of concern. Increasing cases, hospitalizations and deaths are cause for concern. That doesn't mean the level of concern is the same as it was 6 months ago.

 

[havoc315]

Even with the Delta variant, most reports I have read said that at least the Pfizer vaccine is pretty successful against it... Unless I'm reading the wrong reports???

I think at the end of the day the answer is to make sure as much of your family is fully vaccinated as possible, and for the young ones that can't be yet just take precautions.

Reports and studies do indeed suggest the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines are pretty successful, if fully vaccinated with a second shot. But less successful than against earlier variants.

 

[havoc315]

How many vaccinated are hospitalized with severe disease and/or dying? We all know (or should know) that you can still get the virus while being vaccinated, but your risk for severe disease is very low.

I can't take this anymore. Everything is a panic.

Concern is not panic. Not everything has to be either "nothing" or "panic." Believe it or not, there is a vast universe of levels of concern between "nothing" and "panic."

Thus far in the US, there have been 3900 vaccinated people who have been hospitalized with Covid (although not all were hospitalized because of Covid), and there have been 750 Covid deaths in the US among vaccinated.
As the Delta variant grows, those numbers will likely increase.

We must remember that hospitalizations and deaths are lagging. A few weeks ago, UK saw rising cases -- but not rising hospitalizations or deaths. Now, they are seeing the increase in hospitalizations and deaths.
Israel just started to see the increase in cases... their hospitalizations and deaths are now flattening and just starting to increase.

 

[Flugell]

How many vaccinated are hospitalized with severe disease and/or dying? We all know (or should know) that you can still get the virus while being vaccinated, but your risk for severe disease is very low.

I can't take this anymore. Everything is a panic.

I can’t take this anymore! Everything should be taken with a splash of caution, not panic! Continuing to watch trends and if necessary adjust lifestyle to what you are personally comfortable with seems like a sensible plan!

 

[KrzyKtty]

I do get that, but at some point people are going to have to learn how to deal with the virus because even with the vaccine it's not going anywhere. Don't get me wrong, my family has been rather conservative with the entire thing. We always wore our masks, we stayed in our house, and we got vaccinated. But continuing to have long stringed debates on forums about what is the correct thing to do, and how to police everybody else, is just unrealistic. All you can do is get the vaccination, do what you think is best for your family, and leave everybody else out of it. Is that the socially responsible answer, probably not, but considering this is the United States it's probably the best you're going to get.

 

[dreday3]

I can’t take this anymore! Everything should be taken with a splash of caution, not panic! Continuing to watch trends and if necessary adjust lifestyle to what you are personally comfortable with seems like a sensible plan!

You seem panicked!

 

[Trauma]

What number of hospitalizations or deaths among vaccinated people is your threshold for concern?

Is my chance of hospitalization or death after full vaccination greater than anything else in basic day to day life.

For example am I more likely to die driving to work in the next year than from any variant?

Am I more likely to be killed in a active shooter situation ?

So many ways to die that are mostly or completely out of our control unless we never leave our house.

Of course it turns out your entire house can collapse and you still die.

It is truly terrible that we now have another pathway to death, however if it’s statistical odds of happening after vaccination are as low as other common causes we have return to normal life.

 

[DisneyCane]

Ive been very strict with my covid protocols, you all know that. But after being vaccinated, and feeling satisfied with the supporting data during the spring, I've spent the last few months having a blast. Gone out a ton, went on 3 trips, etc. I will now be scaling back drastically. At least until we get more research on this variant. I'm also weary because of the rising covid cases we are currently seeing. Hopefully this will blow over soon, but for the moment it is worrisome.

Selfishly I hope that a lot of people who planned to go to WDW take your lead so that it's less crowded when I visit.

 

[havoc315]

Is my chance of hospitalization or death after full vaccination greater than anything else in basic day to day life.

For example am I more likely to die driving to work in the next year than from any variant?

Depends how much you drive, how carefully you drive. Depends if you're in an area of high community Covid spread, depends on whether you take any precautions, depends on which if any vaccine.

Am I more likely to be killed in a active shooter situation ?

So many ways to die that are mostly or completely out of our control unless we never leave our house.

Many of those ways are indeed within our control, as a community. If schools have decent security, then they are far less likely to have an active shooter situation.
If everyone in a community gets vaccinated, then that significantly reduces the risk of breakthrough infections.

Of course it turns out your entire house can collapse and you still die.

It is truly terrible that we now have another pathway to death, however if it’s statistical odds of happening after vaccination are as low as other common causes we have return to normal life.

Do you wear a seatbelt?

So... precautions are PART of NORMAL life.