Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[Incomudro]

The incentive is, unless you have a legitimate medical reason (not a worry of potential side effects), you are much, much more likely to not be hospitalized in the first place, and if by any chance you are hospitalized, the chances of dying or long term effects are reduced to a very small possibility compared to not getting the vaccine. That's the selfish part.
The other is that it really does a nice job of reducing the spread to protect other people.

Any other incentive, including a beer, is just a sad commentary on our society and if those from the past could visit us now, oh what they would say!
"Lemme get this straight; you have a vaccine (that's also free and freely available and done quickly with a really ridiculously tiny needle) that can save your life, prevent illness, and protect others, and you're holding out for a "reward"?"

Exactly, I can buy my own beer (if I drank) or my own donut or whatever other similar incentive they may offer.
But I can't buy myself reduced risk, and the vaccines are free.

 

[October82]

No, and we are unlikely to ever get a decent accounting of those reasons, but I think it's safe to assume that a good number of the deaths were amongst people who had opportunity but chose not to take it.

I'm not someone with very much sympathy for the anti-vaccination crowd, and I wouldn't assume that.

 

[danlb_2000]

I'm not someone with very much sympathy for the anti-vaccination crowd, and I wouldn't assume that.

I could be wrong, but I would think people who aren't interested in vaccinations are probably also the same people who would not take any other measures to protect themselves. Why the people who died didn't get vaccinated would be a hard thing to gather statistics on, so we may never know.

 

[havoc315]

 

[Animaniac93-98]

Is there a particular reason why Nevada is struggling to get people vaccinated? 51% of 12+ with at least one dose is pretty bad. Worse than Florida and far worse than neighbouring California.

It's my understanding that teens and twenties are what's holding back Florida, but is that the case here? I assume most casino and entertainment staff are vaccinated.

The state is doing a weekly lottery draw starting next week to incentivize more people.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Do the “no sympathy” posters have sympathy for those who caught covid and ended up in the hospital or dead even after being fully vaccinated?

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/25/cov...n-hospitalized-or-died-after-vaccination.html

“

• 4,115 people have been hospitalized or died with Covid-19 despite being fully vaccinated.
• The total number of individuals who died after contracting Covid-19 despite vaccination is 750.
• 76% of hospitalizations and deaths from breakthrough cases occurred in people over the age of 65.

“

 

[Touchdown]

Do the “no sympathy” posters have sympathy for those who caught covid and ended up in the hospital or dead even after being fully vaccinated?

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/25/cov...n-hospitalized-or-died-after-vaccination.html

Of course I do, you can go back and finds tons of times I’ve said that. But their blood isn’t on my hand, the vaccine isn’t 100% effective, particularly in immunosuppressed patients. If the stupid, selfish antivaxxers did their duty to humanity and got vaccinated so that we could get to herd immunity and protect those people it would stop happening. The fact that innocent people are dying despite doing everything they could is why I’m particularly bitter and angry towards those ignorant fools. The fact is yet again, this isn’t simply an individual choice and if I had my way there would be serious consequences for refusing one without a valid medical reason, but sadly this society values an individual’s right to be an ignoramous over innocent lives.

 

[DisneyDebRob]

They were doing interviews with young unvaccinated people on a program I was watching last night and the reason being said over and over was that they didn’t want to get the vaccine not knowing what the long term effects were. Few just said they weren’t worrying about COVID because they were young. But the main thing said, at least in this program was they didn’t want to take a chance because 2 years or more down the road, there was not knowing what would happen to vaccinated people. I’m only the messenger.

 

[Polkadotdress]

Do the “no sympathy” posters have sympathy for those who caught covid and ended up in the hospital or dead even after being fully vaccinated?

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/25/cov...n-hospitalized-or-died-after-vaccination.html

“

• 4,115 people have been hospitalized or died with Covid-19 despite being fully vaccinated.
• The total number of individuals who died after contracting Covid-19 despite vaccination is 750.
• 76% of hospitalizations and deaths from breakthrough cases occurred in people over the age of 65.

“

Of course!

However, those people are only sick because somewhere out there, someone did NOT get a vaccine.

 

[Touchdown]

They were doing interviews with young unvaccinated people on a program I was watching last night and the reason being said over and over was that they didn’t want to get the vaccine not knowing what the long term effects were. Few just said they weren’t worrying about COVID because they were young. But the main thing said, at least in this program was they didn’t want to take a chance because 2 years or more down the road, there was not knowing what would happen to vaccinated people. I’m only the messenger.

There will not be side effects that appear years later, because of how these things work. Once you get to 2 months (but probably sooner) the only thing left in your body from the vaccine are the antibodies and memory B&T cells your body made in response to the virus. After that the only thing that may change is a slow decrease in those things. Therefore, if you are going to have a side effect it’s going to appear before that.

 

[danlb_2000]

Can't find the actual data that supports this claim. It says half the people in and "outbreak" were vaccinated, but how big was the group? Was it 1 person out of 2, or 10,000 out of 20,000? Makes a big difference.

 

[Tony the Tigger]

If you are not allowed to do something (lets say go to a sporting event) without getting vaccinated, how is that not a punishment for not being vaccinated?

If a kid isn't allowed to get a Dole Whip because they hit their sibling on line for Mine Train, are they not being punished?

If a kid is not allowed to get a Dole whip because he’s diabetic, is that being punished?

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Lovely…but hey - it’s sunny outside here…so why worry about it? Everyone head for the bar and let’s get some international travel fired up in Florida, eh?

Is there a particular reason why Nevada is struggling to get people vaccinated? 51% of 12+ with at least one dose is pretty bad. Worse than Florida and far worse than neighbouring California.

It's my understanding that teens and twenties are what's holding back Florida, but is that the case here? I assume most casino and entertainment staff are vaccinated.

The state is doing a weekly lottery draw starting next week to incentivize more people.

Whatever the “reason”…ima sure it’s stupid

Do the “no sympathy” posters have sympathy for those who caught covid and ended up in the hospital or dead even after being fully vaccinated?

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/25/cov...n-hospitalized-or-died-after-vaccination.html

“

• 4,115 people have been hospitalized or died with Covid-19 despite being fully vaccinated.
• The total number of individuals who died after contracting Covid-19 despite vaccination is 750.
• 76% of hospitalizations and deaths from breakthrough cases occurred in people over the age of 65.

“

Those cases would fall if everyone just did what they’re told and the virus has a more difficult time finding hosts….also known as “vaccination”

arms out.

 

[seascape]

Cases are continuing to go up. The US now has an average of 11,985 cases a day. The daily increase is still only about 100 a day but consistently going up and not down. Do we need to stop opening up? NO BUT THE UNVACCINATED NEED TO TAKE THE SHOT! Florida is now averaging 1,578 cases a day or 13.2% of all US cases. Nevada is up to 13 cases per 100k and 5 states are now in double digits. We are still at an easy point to turn this around and start dropping again but it is up to all of us to do the right thing! WASH YOUR HANDS, SNEEZE OR COUGH INTO YOUR ELBOW, TAKE THE SHOT AND DON'T GO OUT IF YOU DON'T FEEL WELL. IT'S EASY AND JUST COMMON SENSE!

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Cases are continuing to go up. The US now has an average of 11,985 cases a day. The daily increase is still only about 100 a day but consistently going up and not down. Do we need to stop opening up? NO BUT THE UNVACCINATED NEED TO TAKE THE SHOT! Florida is now averaging 1,578 cases a day or 13.2% of all US cases. Nevada is up to 13 cases per 100k and 5 states are now in double digits. We are still at an easy point to turn this around and start dropping again but it is up to all of us to do the right thing! WASH YOUR HANDS, SNEEZE OR COUGH INTO YOUR ELBOW, TAKE THE SHOT AND DON'T GO OUT IF YOU DON'T FEEL WELL. IT'S EASY AND JUST COMMON SENSE!

The people not taking the shot seem to fall into a “category” that I started noticing in around 2009…

…always on the “edge of the sword”

 

[havoc315]

Can't find the actual data that supports this claim. It says half the people in and "outbreak" were vaccinated, but how big was the group? Was it 1 person out of 2, or 10,000 out of 20,000? Makes a big difference.

We know the current outbreak is 100-200 per day in Israel, so half of that. And still growing.

 

[seascape]

The people not taking the shot seem to fall into a “category” that I started noticing in around 2009…

…always on the “edge of the sword”

Since the US Taxpayers are cover the entire cost of health care for Covid19, we should require anyone that does not have a legitimate medical reason for not taking it to decide if want to take it or not, but understand that if they don't take the shot they will not have free medical coverage and will have to pay the full amount and that the medical debt for Covid19 can't be included in a bankruptcy. Let people be free but also be responsible. This disease is costing the country too much and it is up to all of us to be responsible for ourselves.

note, I know this may be close to being political and hope it does not cross the line but if it does please delete it. I only wish we would all do the right thing and drive Covid19 into the ground.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Since the US Taxpayers are cover the entire cost of health care for Covid19, we should require anyone that does not have a legitimate medical reason for not taking it to decide if want to take it or not, but understand that if they don't take the shot they will not have free medical coverage and will have to pay the full amount and that the medical debt for Covid19 can't be included in a bankruptcy. Let people be free but also be responsible. This disease is costing the country too much and it is up to all of us to be responsible for ourselves.

note, I know this may be close to being political and hope it does not cross the line but if it does please delete it. I only wish we would all do the right thing and drive Covid19 into the ground.

I’d love it…but we cannot. And we shouldn’t need to.

if the chamber of commerce did something right for a change…they’d push all business to require vaccinations…which would hold.

idiots are trying to run for office in 5 years though…so here we is

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

If a kid is not allowed to get a Dole whip because he’s diabetic, is that being punished?

Good example…a bit outdated/1980’s (medicine is basically real time now)…but point taken

 

[Dreaming of Disney World]

I have a neighbor who is not vaccinated, and his reason is "I don't know. " so frustrating...