Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[danlb_2000]

They're taking this point directly from mis-information planted by anti-vaxxers through social media. They've continunlally moved the goalpost as each one of their dire warnings has failed to materialize. "Unknown long term side effects" will be their Alamo.

It's funny that these people are worried about long term side effects from a vaccine that is designed and tested to be safe and protect you, but aren't worried about the long term side effects of a virus that's purpose is to get you sick and try to kill you.

 

[Heppenheimer]

I think most of us here know what we mean, but just to be clear, because it apparently needs to be re-iterated again and again. Long-term side effects, although extremely rare, are possible from a vaccine. But these are sequelae of reactions that occur very soon after receiving the vaccine, or at the absolute latest, 6-8 weeks later. Side effects that appear months to years later have simply never been observed with any vaccine, and there really isn't a conceivable biological mechanism for this to occur. Medications that we take on a daily basis are a different story, though.

And the fertility issue is just another scare tactic. Outside of surgery, and a few medications that need to be taken at high doses regularly, it is very difficult to suppress fertility in either sex. I can only think of a handful of drugs that might have infertility as an unfortunate unintended side effect, and they're all chemotheropeutic agents. America's obesity epidemic will by far cause more inferility than any medical intervention. Think about that before you refill your resort mug with soda again.

 

[danlb_2000]

I think most of us here know what we mean, but just to be clear, because it apparently needs to be re-iterated again and again. Long-term side effects, although extremely rare, are possible from a vaccine. But these are sequelae of reactions that occur very soon after receiving the vaccine, or at the absolute latest, 6-8 weeks later. Side effects that appear months to years later have simply never been observed with any vaccine, and there really isn't a conceivable biological mechanism for this to occur. Medications that we take on a daily basis are a different story, though.

And the fertility issue is just another scare tactic. Outside of surgery, and a few medications that need to be taken at high doses regularly, it is very difficult to suppress fertility in either sex. I can only think of a handful of drugs that might have infertility as an unfortunate unintended side effect, and they're all chemotheropeutic agents. America's obesity epidemic will by far cause more inferility than any medical intervention. Think about that before you refill your resort mug with soda again.

This does bring up the question of why the myocarditis did not show up in the trials, I assume just not a big enough sample size?

 

[trainplane3]

It's funny that these people are worried about long term side effects from a vaccine that is designed and tested to be safe and protect you, but aren't worried about the long term side effects of a virus that's purpose is to get you sick and try to kill you.

Had someone play that card with me recently. "Why did you get the vaccine? You're young, you'll be fine. Our whole family got covid and we're clear of it now". I simply said, "I run, I'm relatively active. I don't want to have my body go to crap because someone said "you'll be fine". Sure I'll most likely be fine in the short term but the long term is unknown and that's what I don't want to take the risk of.

Like...the long-term side effects of covid are (mostly) unknown at this point. The vaccine is designed to protect and has a completely known make up. IF a vaccine goes screwy, we'll know how and why. If covid goes screwy (more screwy), we'll need more time to figure out how and why.

 

[Disney Analyst]

This does bring up the question of why the myocarditis did not show up in the trials, I assume just not a big enough sample size?

Most of the trials were made up of above 50’s, weren’t they? I thought they really focused testing on older groups? Since it seems to effect the younger groups, I have a feeling it just was rare enough to not come up, or mild enough to not be noticed.

 

[danlb_2000]

Most of the trials were made up of above 50’s, weren’t they? I thought they really focused testing on older groups? Since it seems to effect the younger groups, I have a feeling it just was rare enough to not come up, or mild enough to not be noticed.

The trials were across the whole eligible age range. I looked for a breakdown on the Pfizer vaccine trials but could not find a breakdown by age.

 

[DonniePeverley]

UK now on 18,200 infections in one day, and continues to rise everyday. They were at 2,000 daily infections early last month. If this was replicate in the USA per population you'd be back looking at 100,000 cases a day and rising.

Delta is ripping through.

 

[Heppenheimer]

This does bring up the question of why the myocarditis did not show up in the trials, I assume just not a big enough sample size?

Interesting that the only vote against the EAU from the FDA came from the concern that teenagers were under-represented in the trials. So, because it tends to affect one specific age group, the trial representation of that cohort was probably too small for the myocarditis to register. Hence, the importance of stage IV post-marketing surveillance for any medicine or vaccine.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

So, because it tends to affect one specific age group,

Under 30 is one specific age group?

 

[correcaminos]

Most of the trials were made up of above 50’s, weren’t they? I thought they really focused testing on older groups? Since it seems to effect the younger groups, I have a feeling it just was rare enough to not come up, or mild enough to not be noticed.

No, they had a wide range. I saw 20s through at least 70s in the waiting room. I was 43 when I started the trial. My guess too small of a population since it is so rare.

 

[Disney Analyst]

No, they had a wide range. I saw 20s through at least 70s in the waiting room. I was 43 when I started the trial. My guess too small of a population since it is so rare.

I just thought I had read somewhere that the majority in the trial were older aged, as that is the group they were prioritizing to ensure safety and efficiency.

Unsure. That’s why for me it would make sense it didn’t come up, since it seems to effect 16-30 most.

 

[DisneyFan32]

Regardless of the Delta Variant, President Biden says as long as everybody (Well, almost everybody) get vaccinated, a second lockdown will be unlikely.

 

[DisneyCane]

UK now on 18,200 infections in one day, and continues to rise everyday. They were at 2,000 daily infections early last month. If this was replicate in the USA per population you'd be back looking at 100,000 cases a day and rising.

Delta is ripping through.

What do hospitalizations and deaths look like, especially among people who are vaccinated?

That's the key. It doesn't matter if half of the population gets a cold, it matters a lot if half the population gets cancer.

 

[danlb_2000]

What do hospitalizations and deaths look like, especially among people who are vaccinated?

That's the key. It doesn't matter if half of the population gets a cold, it matters a lot if half the population gets cancer.

Hospitalizations have been creeping up slowly in June but deaths are still pretty flat. If the case spike it going to spike hospitalizations it should start showing up soon.

Hospitalization data:

 

[Tony the Tigger]

And the fertility issue is just another scare tactic. Outside of surgery, and a few medications that need to be taken at high doses regularly, it is very difficult to suppress fertility in either sex. I can only think of a handful of drugs that might have infertility as an unfortunate unintended side effect, and they're all chemotheropeutic agents. America's obesity epidemic will by far cause more inferility than any medical intervention. Think about that before you refill your resort mug with soda again.

Thank you. I have a friend telling me this BS, and I’m concerned about her. Her husband got vaccinated. They’re in their 30’s with a 5 year old kid. They work with the public every day. I think she’s being totally irresponsible.

 

[DisneyCane]

For those of you who were part of the vaccine trials, when is your one year follow up? I'm extremely interested in what they find regarding the length of time the protection lasts and when boosters may be required.

 

[danlb_2000]

For those of you who were part of the vaccine trials, when is your one year follow up? I'm extremely interested in what they find regarding the length of time the protection lasts and when boosters may be required.

I believe someone in the trials has posted here that there are regular follow ups even before one year. This is why we have seen news articles saying the the vaccines last "at least 3 months" and then "at least 6 month".

 

[DisneyCane]

I believe someone in the trials has posted here that there are regular follow ups even before one year. This is why we have seen news articles saying the the vaccines last "at least 3 months" and then "at least 6 month".

I'm interested to know if the protection lasts at least a year. I fear that if boosters were required more often than the flu shot, the percentage getting the booster would be under 50% best case.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

I'm interested to know if the protection lasts at least a year. I fear that if boosters were required more often than the flu shot, the percentage getting the booster would be under 50% best case.

People want this to be over. They aren't going to keep going back for boosters. I agree that 50% is the best case and would probably be lower than that.

 

[correcaminos]

I just thought I had read somewhere that the majority in the trial were older aged, as that is the group they were prioritizing to ensure safety and efficiency.

Unsure. That’s why for me it would make sense it didn’t come up, since it seems to effect 16-30 most.

From all I was told they were trying to get as wide of a range as possible in age, sex, and backgrounds. My waiting room definitely showed that at least. Not sure what the totals were. Trials do try to get as varied as possible.