Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[Touchdown]

This is the kind of statement that gives the rest of us pro-vaxxers a bad name.

What exactly do you want me to do?

1. It can’t be any easier to get vaccines now, you can walk in to any grocery store, doctors office or pharmacy without an appointment, it’s no longer a hassle to get one.

2. There have been countless outreaches to educate the public, though multiple channels. There is not much more we can do on that front, Facebook Karen says everything doctors say are untrue and that’s that.

3. The idea of more forceful efforts like employee mandates and vaccine passports have been floated and the unvaccinated are the most vocal and violent in their opposition to it, I don’t need another mass shooting over this, again they win. I’m done trying this option.

4. Which leads me to my current philosophy, Live and let die. Why should I care one little bit about someone else’s life if they don’t care about their own? They deserve even less of my pity then drug users, at least with them addiction is real and a major deterrent to them improving their life. There is zero barriers to an unvaccinated person becoming vaccinated. Why exactly should I care about their colossally stupid decision?

 

[LittleBuford]

What exactly do you want me to do?

1. It can’t be any easier to get vaccines now, you can walk in to any grocery store, doctors office or pharmacy without an appointment, it’s no longer a hassle to get one.

2. There have been countless outreaches to educate the public, though multiple channels. There is not much more we can do on that front, Facebook Karen says everything doctors say are untrue and that’s that.

3. The idea of more forceful efforts like employee mandates and vaccine passports have been floated and the unvaccinated are the most vocal and violent in their opposition to it, I don’t need another mass shooting over this, again they win. I’m done trying this option.

4. Which leads me to my current philosophy, Live and let die. Why should I care one little bit about someone else’s life if they don’t care about their own? They deserve even less of my pity then drug users, at least with them addiction is real and a major deterrent to them improving their life. There is zero barriers to an unvaccinated person becoming vaccinated. Why exactly should I care about their colossally stupid decision?

I just can't get on board with having "zero sympathy" for those who die of this awful disease, even if they do so because they've foolishly chosen not to get vaccinated. It's no different from not caring if a smoker dies of lung cancer. It's a callous attitude that lacks humanity.

 

[LittleBuford]

Thank you for sharing such great news and wish him well from your friends here

You guys are great and have done wonders for my spirt with your messages of support. Thank you!

 

[Figgy1]

You guys are great and have done wonders for my spirt with your messages of support. Thank you!

Nothing you haven't deserved and wouldn't have done for any of us xoxo

 

[mmascari]

Do you believe that people should have no autonomy on medical treatment or health choices?

They should have lots, completely free to make their own choice.

That doesn't mean there are no consequences for that choice. If you choose not to get the vaccine, you're also choosing to accept the restrictions that comes with. Nothing wrong with that.

Some of those restrictions today are, you're supposed to wear a mask and distance from others. Especially from those you don't know are vaccinated, since those people may be a threat to you and you a threat to them.

In my personal experience, my eldest is fully vaccinated. With this newfound super power and ability to have social interactions without masks, without distance, and indoors, they have also adopted a policy of only hanging out with others who are fully vaccinated. Since if you're not, you're not supposed to do all those things. At least in areas where the risk is high enough. Our area is likely low enough, that it doesn't matter so much, but it's still good policy. Their peers have all adopted a similar policy, which is driving up local vaccination rates for the 12-18 age group.

Put another way, I could choose not to wear pants, perhaps a tasteful loin cloth. This would likely exclude me from attending a Disney cupcake party. That's not a slight on my freedom. It's a choice and consequence.

 

[Touchdown]

I just can't get on board with having "zero sympathy" for those who die of this awful disease, even if they do so because they've foolishly chosen not to get vaccinated. It's no different from not caring if a smoker dies of lung cancer. It's a callous attitude that lacks humanity.

Yeah when you around enough death like I am you need barriers. There’s only so many times you can care about someone more then themselves, you simply can’t function.

 

[Heppenheimer]

Yeah when you around enough death like I am you need barriers. There’s only so many times you can care about someone more then themselves, you simply can’t function.

I've worked as a hospitalist, and yes, I share this sentiment. Doing that job, you find that your supply of empathy for wanton self-destruction (that often pulls down others with them as well) is more finite that you initially suspected.

 

[LaughingGravy]

The only State that is really comparable to Israel in size, population and population density is maybe New Jersey. All others are very different from Israel in at least one of those variables. I agree that it would be good to have higher vaccination rates but I'd prefer incentives (something like get a stimulus check if you get vaccinated) to punishments like vaccine passports to accomplish the higher rates.

The incentive is, unless you have a legitimate medical reason (not a worry of potential side effects), you are much, much more likely to not be hospitalized in the first place, and if by any chance you are hospitalized, the chances of dying or long term effects are reduced to a very small possibility compared to not getting the vaccine. That's the selfish part.
The other is that it really does a nice job of reducing the spread to protect other people.

Any other incentive, including a beer, is just a sad commentary on our society and if those from the past could visit us now, oh what they would say!
"Lemme get this straight; you have a vaccine (that's also free and freely available and done quickly with a really ridiculously tiny needle) that can save your life, prevent illness, and protect others, and you're holding out for a "reward"?"

 

[Trauma]

There's people on this thread that seem giddy at the possibility of unvaccinated people dying. And some seem to be hoping for it.

If you're wishing other humans to die, you made a wrong turn somewhere in your life. Also, you act like everyone who isn't vaccinated is infected.

What a dumb statement.

I promise not a single person here wants anyone to die or even get sick.

The fact of the matter is people will die. It could have been easily prevented.

It’s so mind boggling to people including myself, I just don’t think we know how to act.

You can say whatever mumbo jumbo you want but look at deaths rates of vaccinated vrs unvaccinated.

It’s very clear that it works. It’s easy to get. It’s free.

This is putting on your underwear before your pants basic.

Yet here we are hearing about some other variant on every stupid news channel when this could have been over weeks ago.

 

[MaryJaneP]

Didn't Walt die of lung cancer that may have been a direct result of his cigarette smoking? If he was offered a vaccine that would lower the likelihood of him contracting lung cancer, do you think he would get that vaccine? Will life and/or health insurance policies treat those who choose to not be vaccinated (as opposed to those who cannot, for some medical reason) as they treat those who choose to engage in cigarette smoking? It has become an issue that some insurance policies exclude coverage for those who choose to smoke cigarettes and/or offer higher premiums for those who choose to smoke cigarettes.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Yet here we are hearing about some other variant on every stupid news channel when this could have been over weeks ago.

I think the problem is that we (as people) want to blame other people for our inconveniences. It’s still a global pandemic. There will still be inconveniences because of that pandemic.

 

[Trauma]

I think the problem is that we (as people) want to blame other people for our inconveniences. It’s still a global pandemic. There will still be inconveniences because of that pandemic.

Yeah I guess that’s it, definitely not the eligible to be vaccinated that refuse holding us back.

 

[October82]

Yeah I guess that’s it, definitely not the eligible to be vaccinated that refuse holding us back.

You can't solve social problems with individual responsibility.

 

[GoofGoof]

If you require vaccine passports for certain activities, you are punishing the unvaccinated by not allowing them to do those activities. I think a better strategy would be rewards for getting vaccinated since the punitive strategy may lead to people digging in even more.

This was true even in Israel where they used the passports. I posted an article a little while back and this was their general conclusion. Their economy was in full lockdown after their winter surge and they instituted a passport system they have since abandoned. Experts on the ground there said it was critical to getting their economy open, but that it lead to more vaccine resistance and gave the anti-vaxx crowd more ammo to claim the government was “forcing“ a vaccine on the people. The Us has a larger and more vocal anti-vaxx and anti-government crowd so would be even more contentious here. The lesson learned was vaccine passports work very well to get things open that otherwise cannot be open safely (think cruise industry) but they are not a strong incentive to get more people vaccinated and actually work as a disincentive.

 

[danlb_2000]

What a dumb statement.

I promise not a single person here wants anyone to die or even get sick.

The fact of the matter is people will die. It could have been easily prevented.

It’s so mind boggling to people including myself, I just don’t think we know how to act.

You can say whatever mumbo jumbo you want but look at deaths rates of vaccinated vrs unvaccinated.

It’s very clear that it works. It’s easy to get. It’s free.

This is putting on your underwear before your pants basic.

Yet here we are hearing about some other variant on every stupid news channel when this could have been over weeks ago.

Yeah, right now we are getting about 2000 deaths per week in the US from COVID, and a large number of these people have basically chosen to die. That should be a really sobering thought to people who aren't vaccinated.

 

[October82]

Yeah, right now we are getting about 2000 deaths per week in the US from COVID, and a large number of these people have basically chosen to die. That should be a really sobering thought to people who aren't vaccinated.

Do we know the reasons why those people are unvaccinated? I'm sure many have chosen not to be vaccinated on the basis of misinformation (that they did not choose to believe), but structural barriers to vaccination along racial, ethnic and class lines are very real.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Do we know the reasons why those people are unvaccinated? I'm sure many have chosen not to be vaccinated on the basis of misinformation (that they did not choose to believe), but structural barriers to vaccination along racial, ethnic and class lines are very real.

Also... how many of those people did not have easy access to the vaccine before being hospitalized?

 

[Trauma]

Also... how many of those people did not have easy access to the vaccine before being hospitalized?

Ok let’s not look back for a second then. You would have to say going forward almost all Americans have easy access to the vaccine and that it is no longer a valid excuse.

 

[correcaminos]

Ok let’s not look back for a second then. You would have to say going forward almost all Americans have easy access to the vaccine and that it is no longer a valid excuse.

Easy access is relative though. What you have as easy isn't the same for others. While supply is there for all, access isn't all the same for various reasons.

 

[danlb_2000]

Do we know the reasons why those people are unvaccinated? I'm sure many have chosen not to be vaccinated on the basis of misinformation (that they did not choose to believe), but structural barriers to vaccination along racial, ethnic and class lines are very real.

No, and we are unlikely to ever get a decent accounting of those reasons, but I think it's safe to assume that a good number of the deaths were amongst people who had opportunity but chose not to take it.