Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[Tony the Tigger]

I have always been on the cautious side with the virus and have been very pro-mitigation, but once we reached the point of everyone in the country having access to the vaccine, what is the point of continuing mitigation?

The same point as all the previous mitigation.

Unless we regained our sanity and offered/required proof of vaccination.

At some point that people have chosen not to get vaccinated are on their own.

Maybe this whole thing has warped me but I could care less.

I stop short of this. It bothers me. I see it here a lot, and I get why some say it (probably some are just venting.) I do feel bad for people dying of this no matter their politics or their reasons. I expect most were victims of being misled by someone or other. I'm sure some were just jerks, too, but I still don't wish jerks dead or think "who cares if they die." At this point, most are just senseless deaths.

 

[havoc315]

By the way, how is it working with the vaccination checks at Yankee Stadium? An issue that has been silent since the season started.

Went to a Mets game when they were checking. It was smooth.

But now, no longer checking. As of a few days ago, “back to normal.”

 

[GimpYancIent]

Noooo! We have to wear masks AGAIN!

 

[Trauma]

Not telling people they are "good to go," as if that's a certainty. They're in pretty good shape, yes. Don't go jumping into a huge crowd of people indoors without masks, especially when you know there are unvaccinated people in the mix who are maskless.

Go to work, go to stores, go to restaurants (as I have done throughout the whole pandemic.) Be aware. Mask up indoors. (Most people in my town still do.)

It should be almost over, and then this is all moot. It would be over faster if everyone got vaccinated and used some common sense with a stronger variant making headway and potentially halting/reversing progress. How inane is it that more people will get sick, have long term consequences, or die from something we all could have been vaccinated against? Do we need any more proof of the idiocy of some of the American public? Some don't seem to believe a thing is happening unless it's right in front of their face, even though the same thing keeps happening over and over. It's a shame.

I had to listen to science deniers say that covid wasn’t real long enough.

Now I’m suppose to listen to science deniers saying I need to wear a mask?

The CDC says I do not need to wear a mask indoors.

Unless they change that I will listen to the scientists.

 

[Tony the Tigger]

I had to listen to science deniers say that covid wasn’t real long enough.

Now I’m suppose to listen to science deniers saying I need to wear a mask?

The CDC says I do not need to wear a mask indoors.

Unless they change that I will listen to the scientists.

Have at it. But don't call me a science denier.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

I had to listen to science deniers say that covid wasn’t real long enough.

Now I’m suppose to listen to science deniers saying I need to wear a mask?

The CDC says I do not need to wear a mask indoors.

Unless they change that I will listen to the scientists.

You're mistaking wanting to be cautious for being a science denier. If anything, wanting to continue be cautious proves that people follow science and understand how viruses work.

 

[Trauma]

Have at it. But don't call me a science denier.

Ok well let’s put it this way you know the science and are deciding to take the ultra safe conservative route. Nothing wrong with that but shouldn’t be expected of others.

If the CDC says we don’t need masks then I think it’s wrong to say people are being wreckless.

 

[Trauma]

You're mistaking wanting to be cautious for being a science denier. If anything, wanting to continue be cautious proves that people follow science and understand how viruses work.

Public policy shouldn’t be set by an individuals desire to be cautious. Nothing wrong with that.

The doctors and scientists have concluded that public policy should be fully vaccinated individuals do not need to mask.

If you don’t agree with that take it up with them not the public that is following the advice of the experts.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

Public policy shouldn’t be set by an individuals desire to be cautious. Nothing wrong with that.

The doctors and scientists have concluded that public policy should be fully vaccinated individuals do not need to mask.

If you don’t agree with that take it up with them not the public that is following the advice of the experts.

Public policy should also take into account the fact that people tend to lie if it will benefit them in some way, but it isn't.

 

[Trauma]

Public policy should also take into account the fact that people tend to lie if it will benefit them in some way, but it isn't.

Who cares if they lie. I am still so lost on this.

Then they get sick. Doesn’t effect you in the least.

I could care less if I’m in a room of unvaccinated people. I’m vaccinated. The science says I’m protected.

 

[Tony the Tigger]

Public policy shouldn’t be set by an individuals desire to be cautious. Nothing wrong with that.

The doctors and scientists have concluded that public policy should be fully vaccinated individuals do not need to mask.

If you don’t agree with that take it up with them not the public that is following the advice of the experts.

I'm sorry it's so much extra burden for you to take a minor precaution. You sound so upset about that.

I guess if your reason for everything is just doing what you're told, then your position makes sense for you.

The CDC issues general guidelines. You take that information and do with it what you will.

I'll analyze that information and see how it makes sense for me, especially in relation to where I live and my pre-existing health situations and those of others regularly around me.

"The CDC said" isn't going to work against the virus or the variants. The vaccine is a solid start. It's not the be all end all.

Those who have not gotten vaccinated and have no valid reason for that are being reckless by definition.

 

[Trauma]

I'm sorry it's so much extra burden for you to take a minor precaution. You sound so upset about that.

I guess if your reason for everything is just doing what you're told, then your position makes sense for you.

The CDC issues general guidelines. You take that information and do with it what you will.

I'll analyze that information and see how it makes sense for me, especially in relation to where I live and my pre-existing health situations and those of others regularly around me.

"The CDC said" isn't going to work against the virus or the variants. The vaccine is a solid start. It's not the be all end all.

Those who have not gotten vaccinated and have no valid reason for that are being reckless by definition.

Yeah you do you.

Just leave me out of it


Let me add to this even though it’s probably hopeless to get thru.

You are going to die.

If you look at the odds of your vaccinated self Dying of covid and compare it to other risks you won’t be able to leave the house.

 

[Tony the Tigger]

Who cares if they lie. I am still so lost on this.

Then they get sick. Doesn’t effect you in the least.

I could care less if I’m in a room of unvaccinated people. I’m vaccinated. The science says I’m protected.

Tell it to the hundreds of people who have already died after being fully vaccinated.

I see no point continuing this discussion with you.

 

[seascape]

I'm sorry it's so much extra burden for you to take a minor precaution. You sound so upset about that.

I guess if your reason for everything is just doing what you're told, then your position makes sense for you.

The CDC issues general guidelines. You take that information and do with it what you will.

I'll analyze that information and see how it makes sense for me, especially in relation to where I live and my pre-existing health situations and those of others regularly around me.

"The CDC said" isn't going to work against the virus or the variants. The vaccine is a solid start. It's not the be all end all.

Those who have not gotten vaccinated and have no valid reason for that are being reckless by definition.

Tony, you can explain your position so much better than you are. My brother has a serious heart condition along with some other issues and is told he can't take the vaccine. There are hundreds of thousands other citizens thst have similar issues and are unable to get vaccinated. Everyone should not only be concerned about themselves but others. That is why even though I am vaccinated Ivwear a mask. We need to care about each other.

 

[Trauma]

Tell it to the hundreds of people who have already died after being fully vaccinated.

I see no point continuing this discussion with you.

I can’t tell them they are dead.

What you don’t seem to understand is that people die.

You do what you can do and then you have to LIVE.

We don’t live life 6 feet apart in masks divided by plexiglass.

If I die of covid oh well I did what I could do but for now I’m going to live.

 

[Trauma]

Tony, you can explain your position so much better than you are. My brother has a serious heart condition along with some other issues and is told he can't take the vaccine. There are hundreds of thousands other citizens thst have similar issues and are unable to get vaccinated. Everyone should not only be concerned about themselves but others. That is why even though I am vaccinated Ivwear a mask. We need to care about each other.

Now here is a real argument. Problem is what’s the answer? Covid is never going away to many idiots won’t get vaccinated.

So what do we do?

If you told me wearing masks for 3 more months or whatever would matter in the long run maybe I would consider that.

Problem is your brother will always be at risk.

Just to many idiots.

 

[Tony the Tigger]

Tony, you can explain your position so much better than you are.

It's not worth the effort.

Of course I care about people like your brother. I'm seeing a lot of people not caring about anyone as long as they can do whatever they want.

Just to many idiots.

 

[Tony the Tigger]

but for now I’m going to live.

Same.

 

[Trauma]

To summarize I know how bad it sounds.

I’m vaccinated and could care less about anyone else. That’s basically my position right?

Why ?

Because we have 35% of people who are healthy and can get a free shot but won’t.

For that reason I am suppose to sacrifice god knows how much more time out of my brief existence?

I hate this 30% beyond words and honestly I think it has warped me. I have no feelings or empathy and I understand how horrible that is.

My mind refuses to except that so many people can be so stupid and it just can’t process it.

I have to shut that part of me off or my anger will consume me.

 

[danlb_2000]

The same point as all the previous mitigation.

But how long do you keep those mitigations in place? Yes, I know kids are still an issue, but assuming we get a vaccine from them eventually, and 40% of the population has still decided not to get vaccinated, do you keep up mitigation forever? I was all for mitigation when there was no other option, but once people have a way to protect themselves, if they choose not to do it, there isn't much more that can be done.