Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[danlb_2000]

To summarize I know how bad it sounds.

I’m vaccinated and could care less about anyone else. That’s basically my position right?

Why ?

Because we have 35% of people who are healthy and can get a free shot but won’t.

For that reason I am suppose to sacrifice god knows how much more time out of my brief existence?

I hate this 30% beyond words and honestly I think it has warped me. I have no feelings or empathy and I understand how horrible that is.

My mind refuses to except that so many people can be so stupid and it just can’t process it.

I have to shut that part of me off or my anger will consume me.

I feel bad for that 30%. Going forward, a lot of the covid deaths are essentially a personal choice. There are going to be a good number of people who would have lived if they had just chosen to get the vaccine.

 

[Tony the Tigger]

But how long do you keep those mitigations in place?

I don't know how to answer this. I also don't know how to care about it. "When it's time, you'll know." Maybe when there isn't a variant taking root that is likely to increase cases and deaths and possibly create a friendly environment for the next variant?

Two things rid all of you of your worries:

Mandatory vaccinations.
Mandatory proof of vaccination.

Poof! No worries.

 

[Trauma]

It's not worth the effort.

Of course I care about people like your brother. I'm seeing a lot of people not caring about anyone as long as they can do whatever they want.

Tony I get it I’m not an idiot. I just don’t understand what you are achieving. You did your part I did mine. If his brother dies it won’t be because of us it will be because of some anti vax nut job.

You wearing a mask does not prevent the spread of covid. You don’t have covid.

It this Delta variant is actually dangerous then it’s time for leadership to step up and cut the crap.

Get vaccinated or get out. I could care less what they do with anti vaxers.

Create a whole Island paradise fill up the cruise ships and send them on their way.

 

[hopemax]

To summarize I know how bad it sounds.

I’m vaccinated and could care less about anyone else. That’s basically my position right?

Why ?

Because we have 35% of people who are healthy and can get a free shot but won’t.

For that reason I am suppose to sacrifice god knows how much more time out of my brief existence?

I hate this 30% beyond words and honestly I think it has warped me. I have no feelings or empathy and I understand how horrible that is.

My mind refuses to except that so many people can be so stupid and it just can’t process it.

I have to shut that part of me off or my anger will consume me.

Just remember that the next time, you might be part of that 30%. Everyone thinks they will make a smart decision, and this has revealed that even some very intelligent people are can be very, very, wrong. So at the end of the day, in the future (not covid, the next crisis) if you are on the wrong side, do you want your public health and community leaders to say, "To heck with you. You made your choice." Or do you want them to say, "Our responsibility is to continue to value the preservation and quality of the lives of our neighbors and constituents even if they don't recognize the value in that. I'd like to believe that if push came to shove, and people end up on the wrong side, they would say, "I wished people had kept trying, even when I was being a punk."

 

[Trauma]

Just remember that the next time, you might be part of that 30%. Everyone thinks they will make a smart decision, and this has revealed that even some very intelligent people are can be very, very, wrong. So at the end of the day, in the future (not covid, the next crisis) if you are on the wrong side, do you want your public health and community leaders to say, "To heck with you. You made your choice." Or do you want them to say, "Our responsibility is to continue to value the preservation and quality of the lives of our neighbors and constituents even if they don't recognize the value in that. I'd like to believe that if push came to shove, and people end up on the wrong side, they would say, "I wished people had kept trying, even when I was being a punk."

If we are in a public emergency I will follow the advise of experts not people on Facebook. If I die due to this decision then so be it.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

But how long do you keep those mitigations in place? Yes, I know kids are still an issue, but assuming we get a vaccine from them eventually, and 40% of the population has still decided not to get vaccinated, do you keep up mitigation forever? I was all for mitigation when there was no other option, but once people have a way to protect themselves, if they choose not to do it, there isn't much more that can be done.

Perhaps those who choose not to get vaccinated even though they are medically able should have to pay for their own treatment should they become infected with COVID.

 

[Animaniac93-98]

Perhaps those who choose not to get vaccinated even though they are medically able should have to pay for their own treatment should they become infected with COVID.

I could see deciding not to get vaccinated being a "pre-existing condition" for denying (private) health insurance.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

I could see deciding not to get vaccinated being a "pre-existing condition" for denying (private) health insurance.

I know it's harsh, and may seem unfair to some, but if a person is medically able, they should be vaccinated. There is no viable excuse not to be.

 

[CarolinaSoprano]

You wearing a mask does not prevent the spread of covid. You don’t have covid.

This is a good point. It seems that the only ones left wearing a mask are those fully vaccinated. But they don't have covid so their mask is not helping. Ok sure the very rare breakthrough cases where a fully vaccinated person tested positive. But overall the vaccinated do not need a mask anymore but they are the only ones doing it. Doesn't make sense.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

I know it's harsh, and may seem unfair to some, but if a person is medically able, they should be vaccinated. There is no viable excuse not to be.

I disagree. Forcing any medical procedures on people is not good.

 

[CarolinaSoprano]

Perhaps those who choose not to get vaccinated even though they are medically able should have to pay for their own treatment should they become infected with COVID.

You know we can't do that because of the slippery slope. Should we not treat those with diabetes because they are obese? Deny a long time smoker care for their COPD /oxygen because they chose to smoke?

 

[jlhwdw]

For a starters you don't just abandon basic safety measures like masks - especially indoors.

 

[DonniePeverley]

But how long do you keep those mitigations in place? Yes, I know kids are still an issue, but assuming we get a vaccine from them eventually, and 40% of the population has still decided not to get vaccinated, do you keep up mitigation forever? I was all for mitigation when there was no other option, but once people have a way to protect themselves, if they choose not to do it, there isn't much more that can be done.

The problem is if you see as a huge spike in cases amongst the non vaccinated - there is no way local states will just do nothing. You can't let human suffering go on, even if people have chosen to take that path. For example, if you have a huge outbreak like they had in New York, there is no way they will just let it happen. They will bring in restrictions, and the path to normality get's further away again.

In the short term, waiting a few weeks to see how much this Delta Variant takes hold would have been more apt before looseing every single restriction.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

I disagree. Forcing any medical procedures on people is not good.

Please re-read. I didn't say to force anyone to be vaccinated...I said those who choose not to be vaccinated even though they are medically able should have to pay for their own treatment should they become COVID positive.

ETA: Not that I like this idea...but we need to get people to get their vaccination.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Please re-read. I didn't say to force anyone to be vaccinated...I said those who choose not to be vaccinated even though they are medically able should have to pay for their own treatment should they become COVID positive.

ETA: Not that I like this idea...but we need to get people to get their vaccination.

Ok. So to deny people insurance because they chose not to get a vaccine that isn’t even 100% approved yet?

 

[Jrb1979]

To summarize I know how bad it sounds.

I’m vaccinated and could care less about anyone else. That’s basically my position right?

Why ?

Because we have 35% of people who are healthy and can get a free shot but won’t.

For that reason I am suppose to sacrifice god knows how much more time out of my brief existence?

I hate this 30% beyond words and honestly I think it has warped me. I have no feelings or empathy and I understand how horrible that is.

My mind refuses to except that so many people can be so stupid and it just can’t process it.

I have to shut that part of me off or my anger will consume me.

I somewhat agree with you. It's also why I have no empathy when a bunch of places will be dealing with outbreaks this fall. Other then those with medical reasons who can't get the vaccine, I don't feel sorry for you. You made this bed you know have to lay in it.

 

[danlb_2000]

The problem is if you see as a huge spike in cases amongst the non vaccinated - there is no way local states will just do nothing. You can't let human suffering go on, even if people have chosen to take that path. For example, if you have a huge outbreak like they had in New York, there is no way they will just let it happen. They will bring in restrictions, and the path to normality get's further away again.

In the short term, waiting a few weeks to see how much this Delta Variant takes hold would have been more apt before looseing every single restriction.

As we have seen, some stated would, other would not, at least not until hospitals started to get overwhelmed.

Wait a few weeks and then what? Let's say the variant takes hold and people still don't get vaccinated?

 

[danlb_2000]

You know we can't do that because of the slippery slope. Should we not treat those with diabetes because they are obese? Deny a long time smoker care for their COPD /oxygen because they chose to smoke?

He is not saying, don't treat them, he saying make them pay more. I think health insurance is the only type of insurance where rates are not based on risk.

 

[AEfx]

It this Delta variant is actually dangerous then it’s time for leadership to step up and cut the crap.

Fauci declares delta variant ‘greatest threat’ to the nation’s efforts to eliminate Covid​

I think Fauci just asked you to hold his beer.

 

[Sorcerer Mickey]

Ok. So to deny people insurance because they chose not to get a vaccine that isn’t even 100% approved yet?

People are denied all types of insurance for much less.