Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[Horizons '83]

...too easy, huh?

Loved those blueberry muffins when they came out of the oven fresh

 

[GoofGoof]

I'm not of the opinion that universal health insurance would affect obesity rates at all, because that's largely a matter of leading a horse to water. And our society just isn't organized around encouraging the things that would reduce obesity. But it would help reduce some of the health consequences of obesity.

It’s a valid point. There are many additional fundamental changes needed on obesity alone. That being said a disproportionate number of people who suffered severe outcomes from Covid had less than adequate access to health care. Most likely many had underlying conditions they were not even aware of or untreated chronic health problems. If our plan going forward to prepare for pandemics is to “get everyone healthy” then we need to start with getting everyone access to basic medical care.

 

[Communicora]

The same emailed “warning” also included something about there being “very little risk” of a resurgence to those who are fully vaccinated. The CDC said the same thing, even with the delta variant. The Pfizer vaccine will likely be available by the fall for school children, so soon enough everyone will be able to get vaccinated.

The solution here is quite simple, and I fail to understand why some won’t get vaccinated. Part of me feels that if the virus resurges amongst the unvaccinated it’s their own fault.

A big concern is that there are vaccinated people for whom the vaccine won't be as effective (for example, older adults). In the UK, 1/3 of the deaths with the Delta variant were in fully vaccinated people.

 

[correcaminos]

It’s a valid point. There are many additional fundamental changes needed on obesity alone. That being said a disproportionate number of people who suffered severe outcomes from Covid had less than adequate access to health care. Most likely many had underlying conditions they were not even aware of or untreated chronic health problems. If our plan going forward to prepare for pandemics is to “get everyone healthy” then we need to start with getting everyone access to basic medical care.

Not just health care but access to things like healthy food at reasonable costs. Lack of time and money play into lifestyles for many. So healthcare access is an issue, but the disparities in life affect it more. A doctor can only try to help a patient loose weight, control diabetes, reduce BP or cholesterol etc but they aren't able to fix the root of the issues at hand. Goes back to why some cannot vaccinate due to time or money. Programs only address some issues, not all.

 

[James J]

A good milestone has just been hit in the UK:

 

[DisneyDebRob]

It’s a valid point. There are many additional fundamental changes needed on obesity alone. That being said a disproportionate number of people who suffered severe outcomes from Covid had less than adequate access to health care. Most likely many had underlying conditions they were not even aware of or untreated chronic health problems. If our plan going forward to prepare for pandemics is to “get everyone healthy” then we need to start with getting everyone access to basic medical care.

The proverbial “ nail on the head” you just hit. I laugh, or maybe cry not really sure when I read some of the posts here claiming.. “ well if everyone just took care of themselves.. blah blah. They may have a bit of a point when it comes to those in houses with white picket fences.. the 2 and a half kids..ands dog. They never ever seem to take into consideration the millions who don’t have good acces to healthcare.. or good healthy food.. or.. I can keep going. It’s not as easy as saying then move out and make a better life for yourself.. as they sit in their sunroom spouting it on internet boards.
Huge disproportionate numbers came from this area. Should we not care? Of course we should care and the answers go much deeper then lose weight. It’s a discussion for somewhere else of course.

 

[Heppenheimer]

I saw some concern recently that the fda is considering not approving emergency authorization for kids when those vaccines are ready.

I hope that will turn out to be inaccurate, as I absolutely want DD to get the vaccine as soon as one is available to her.

There are different voices within the FDA, and they're trying to project forward based on several targets that move independently of each other.

One of the debates is whether to allow an EAU for younger children based on safety data alone, since the efficacy is so well established in adults and teenagers, and there really isn't any reason to suspect children won't get the same immunity benefit. Part of this is probably because some wish to have the results in time for next winter, so that kids won't need to endure another year of classroom disruption, but now that the pandemic has calmed down considerably in the US, Finland and Spain (where most of the trials are taking place), they may not be able to reach the efficacy targets in time.

So, the debate comes down to should we wait longer for more complete efficacy data in children (the safety data, on the other hand, will be more than adequate) and perhaps jeopardize another school year, or jump ahead and allow the vaccines for children, who are less likely to suffer severe consequences than adults anyway, with murkier efficacy numbers so that we can safely get them back to school full time? All of this also assumes the safety data holds up, which seems pretty likely to me. And now that we've relaxed and eliminated almost all mitigation measures, do we just want to sit back and see what damage the delta variant can inflict in unvaccinated children?

I don't claim to have the answers for these questions, and fortunately, I don't sit on an FDA advisory panel.

 

[spaldingclan]

A big concern is that there are vaccinated people for whom the vaccine won't be as effective (for example, older adults). In the UK, 1/3 of the deaths with the Delta variant were in fully vaccinated people.

state your proof of this stat

 

[mfortis]

Moderator can you please shut down this thread!?
Or rename it to:

<Insert phobia> and Walt Disney World general discussion (Now with optimism!)​

 

[GoofGoof]

I saw some concern recently that the fda is considering not approving emergency authorization for kids when those vaccines are ready.

I hope that will turn out to be inaccurate, as I absolutely want DD to get the vaccine as soon as one is available to her.

EUA is only possible in an emergency. The benefit has to exceed the risk. There is some thought that if Covid cases drop low enough by September then there won’t be a true emergency anymore. This happened in Israel recently where they delayed approval for 12-15 year olds because cases there dropped so low. I think one aspect that should help ease people’s apprehension for kids under 12 is the lower dose being trialed now. The dose is 1/3 the adult dose so in theory should reduce adverse events and side effects. The trial they are running now may not show efficacy if nobody in the placebo group gets covid but as long as it shows the vaccines are safe I think they may approve it anyway based on the high efficacy in other groups.

 

[James J]

state your proof of this stat

It's within this article: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/11/delta-variant-is-linked-to-90-of-covid-cases-in-uk

Of the 42 deaths recorded in England within 28 days of a positive test involving the Delta variant, 23 were in unvaccinated people, with 12 among those who were fully vaccinated and seven among people who had had one dose.

 

[GoofGoof]

The proverbial “ nail on the head” you just hit. I laugh, or maybe cry not really sure when I read some of the posts here claiming.. “ well if everyone just took care of themselves.. blah blah. They may have a bit of a point when it comes to those in houses with white picket fences.. the 2 and a half kids..ands dog. They never ever seem to take into consideration the millions who don’t have good acces to healthcare.. or good healthy food.. or.. I can keep going. It’s not as easy as saying then move out and make a better life for yourself.. as they sit in their sunroom spouting it on internet boards.
Huge disproportionate numbers came from this area. Should we not care? Of course we should care and the answers go much deeper then lose weight. It’s a discussion for somewhere else of course.

Yeah, probably too far down the rabbit hole.

 

[GoofGoof]

It's within this article: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/11/delta-variant-is-linked-to-90-of-covid-cases-in-uk

5.4% of infections occurred in fully vaccinated people and 11% of hospitalizations and then a jump to 28.6% of deaths. My guess is that has more to do with age demographics than vaccine effectiveness. Of the 94.6% of infections that occurred in unvaccinated people the vast majority are probably in young people who may not even be eligible yet but are unlikely to die from Covid. A larger portion of fully vaccinated people are 65+ since they were the first to go and that group is at higher risk for death if they get covid. Breakthrough infection is still rare, but 12 people died. It is a concern.

 

[MaryJaneP]

Cause everybody knows those stupid selfish people chose to have conditions like autoimmune disorders, cancer, etc. and even catching Covid. Good thing we have vaccines. Too bad we didn't have one during the black plaque.

 

[Communicora]

state your proof of this stat

It's from the UK Health Security Agency. You can read about it here:

Delta variant causes more than 90% of new Covid cases in UK

Variant first discovered in India believed to spread more easily and be more resistant to vaccines

www.theguardian.com

I'm not saying that WDW should change the direction of their policies nor am I trying to scare anyone. Instead I wanted to emphasize the importance of getting vaccines so we can continue to reduce the spread and so people understand that there are people who are vaccinated who are still vulnerable. It's not enough to say oh well, let the unvaccinated people suffer, especially if this new variant takes hold in the US like it is in the UK.

 

[Spookie2018]

state your proof of this stat

The problem in the UK is that they were taking a "wait and see approach" to second dosing. If your stat is correct, it likely reflects individuals that had only received one dose. The second dose is what is said to offer greater protection against the variants.

 

[Communicora]

The problem in the UK is that they were taking a "wait and see approach" to second dosing. If your stat is correct, it likely reflects individuals that had only received one dose. The second dose is what is said to offer greater protection against the variants.

Sadly, it doesn't.

"In total, 383 people in England were admitted to hospital with the Delta variant over that period – 223 of whom tested positive for Covid before turning up at A&E – with 42 having had two doses of the jab, 86 having one dose and 251 unvaccinated.

Of the 42 deaths recorded in England within 28 days of a positive test involving the Delta variant, 23 were in unvaccinated people, with 12 among those who were fully vaccinated and seven among people who had had one dose."

Delta variant causes more than 90% of new Covid cases in UK

Variant first discovered in India believed to spread more easily and be more resistant to vaccines

www.theguardian.com

 

[James J]

The problem in the UK is that they were taking a "wait and see approach" to second dosing. If your stat is correct, it likely reflects individuals that had only received one dose. The second dose is what is said to offer greater protection against the variants.

It unfortunately doesn't reflect that. If you read the article above that both myself and @Communicora have posted, it was in those doubly vaccinated. It will likely be in those of an upper age group but still a concern.

Also, we weren't taking a "wait and see approach" but focusing on getting as many first doses into arms as we could before beginning seconds. The time between jabs is however now lessening, with the government trying to get those over 40 who have had a first jab to have their second within 8 weeks rather than the 12 it had been.

 

[lazyboy97o]

The proverbial “ nail on the head” you just hit. I laugh, or maybe cry not really sure when I read some of the posts here claiming.. “ well if everyone just took care of themselves.. blah blah. They may have a bit of a point when it comes to those in houses with white picket fences.. the 2 and a half kids..ands dog. They never ever seem to take into consideration the millions who don’t have good acces to healthcare.. or good healthy food.. or.. I can keep going. It’s not as easy as saying then move out and make a better life for yourself.. as they sit in their sunroom spouting it on internet boards.
Huge disproportionate numbers came from this area. Should we not care? Of course we should care and the answers go much deeper then lose weight. It’s a discussion for somewhere else of course.

That house with the white picket fence is very much part of the problem. Government regulations and subsidies have for decades now prioritized development patterns that are detrimental to our health.

 

[Spookie2018]

Also, we weren't taking a "wait and see approach" but focusing on getting as many first doses into arms as we could before beginning seconds. The time between jabs is however now lessening, with the government trying to get those over 40 who have had a first jab to have their second within 8 weeks rather than the 12 it had been.

I just read an article stating the contrary.