Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[ToTBellHop]

Yes. June 15 is still CA’s target for more relaxation, including theme parks (though not to this level). Just saying making the date the same for the next respective phase in either park is interesting to me. TDO could have done this at WDW two weeks ago or whatever it was for Uni.

I am anticipating an announcement from DL soon on their 6/15 protocols. It’s only 1:30 pm there.

 

[danlb_2000]

There won’t be enforcement for kids, nor should there be. Assumptions can’t be made. Kids could be in a trial.

It's probably an academic, but I doubt people in a trial would be considered vaccinated since you technically don't know if the vaccine works or not.

 

[ToTBellHop]

It's probably an academic, but I doubt people in a trial would be considered vaccinated since you technically don't know if the vaccine works or not.

Sure, but the kid at the Peter Pan entrance won’t be arguing that. Everyone knows these policy shifts, in practice, lead to family units either all-masking or all-unmasking.

 

[Parker in NYC]

You do realize the announcement is for WDW. Newsom and DL are on the other coast.

They easily confuse the two.

 

[mmascari]

There won’t be enforcement for kids, nor should there be. Assumptions can’t be made. Kids could be in a trial.

Then what's the point of having a rule at all?

Just update it.

Face coverings will be optional for fully vaccinated Guests in most areas. Face coverings will still be required of all Guests on Disney transportation, including Disney buses, monorails and Disney Skyliner. While we will not require proof of vaccination, we expect Guests who are to not fully vaccinated to continue wearing face coverings in all indoor locations, and upon entering and throughout all attractions and transportation. Guests must observe current policies on face coverings until June 15.

If that's the expected outcome and what the rule really means, then they should state that. Either you enforce when someone is clearly not vaccinated, a 9 year old isn't going to be vaccinated, or you don't. Sure, an 11, maybe a bigger 10 year old is going to slip through and look 12. Maybe you don't bother asking them, to avoid asking a smaller 12 year old.

But, if there's no expectation that anyone, even those clearly unvaccinated, are going to wear a mask outside of transportation where everyone does, then that should be the rule.

 

[DisneyCane]

Wonder why the transportation exclusion?

Probably honoring the public transportation mandate. I guess Disney transportation is kinda sorta public transportation. You can get to a lot of it without an admission ticket if you were so inclined.

 

[ToTBellHop]

Then what's the point of having a rule at all?

Just update it.



If that's the expected outcome and what the rule really means, then they should state that. Either you enforce when someone is clearly not vaccinated, a 9 year old isn't going to be vaccinated, or you don't. Sure, an 11, maybe a bigger 10 year old is going to slip through and look 12. Maybe you don't bother asking them, to avoid asking a smaller 12 year old.

But, if there's no expectation that anyone, even those clearly unvaccinated, are going to wear a mask outside of transportation where everyone does, then that should be the rule.

They write a policy in line with the CDC. But they will NEVER say “mask this 3 year old”. It’s on the parents now. My kids were in the Pfizer Phase 1. No placebo. They are 8 and vaccinated. So don’t assume.

 

[Chi84]

Then what's the point of having a rule at all?

Just update it.



If that's the expected outcome and what the rule really means, then they should state that. Either you enforce when someone is clearly not vaccinated, a 9 year old isn't going to be vaccinated, or you don't. Sure, an 11, maybe a bigger 10 year old is going to slip through and look 12. Maybe you don't bother asking them, to avoid asking a smaller 12 year old.

But, if there's no expectation that anyone, even those clearly unvaccinated, are going to wear a mask outside of transportation where everyone does, then that should be the rule.

It seems to me they’re just placing the responsibility for their guests’ health squarely on the shoulders of those guests. My guess is they are anticipating new CDC guidance on kids under 12 very soon.

 

[danlb_2000]

Probably honoring the public transportation mandate. I guess Disney transportation is kinda sorta public transportation. You can get to a lot of it without an admission ticket if you were so inclined.

Good point, it is all open to anyone.

 

[Disstevefan1]

Not off to a good start....

2 passengers on Celebrity Millennium cruise test positive for coronavirus

Two guests aboard the first major sea cruise hosting Americans since the pandemic halted the industry have tested positive for coronavirus in required end-of-cruise testing, the cruise line said Thursday.

www.cnn.com

This is an interesting (albeit failed) test cruise. But this is exactly what test cruises are for!

Two guests aboard the first major sea cruise hosting Americans since the pandemic halted the industry have tested positive for coronavirus in required end-of-cruise testing.

The ship set sail Saturday "with fully vaccinated crew and guests and following comprehensive protocols that align with our destination partners and exceed CDC guidelines to protect the health and safety of our guests.

Guests were required to show vaccination proof and a negative Covid-19 test within 72 hours of departing.

About 500 passengers were on board, with more than 95% fully vaccinated. Children who could not yet receive vaccinations were required to show negative Covid-19 tests.

Folks from Celebrity Cruise Must really investigate these two folks! Triple check their vaccine and covid negative paperwork.

As part of these test cruises, it would be cool to add antibody tests for everyone prior to sailing.

One more important thing (from what I heard) , different kinds of tests have different levels of precision; some kinds of tests tend to return false positives, some kinds of tests tend to return false negatives, some test are 50 percent accurate, so its a coin flip as to if the test is returning the correct result.

 

[DisneyCane]

Here is the new weekly report from the Florida DOH -

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Doing some quick math, in the most recent week there were 357,559 new tests results reported, the prior week was 321,944. Makes sense due to Memorial Day but explains why cases were up slightly while positivity was down 0.2%.

Statewide, they reported (only including residents) 55.3 cases per 100k (7.9 per day). To compare with the New York Times and similar you have to add a little because those count non-residents as well.

 

[Parker in NYC]

This is an interesting (albeit failed) test cruise. But this is exactly what test cruises are for!

Two guests aboard the first major sea cruise hosting Americans since the pandemic halted the industry have tested positive for coronavirus in required end-of-cruise testing.

The ship set sail Saturday "with fully vaccinated crew and guests and following comprehensive protocols that align with our destination partners and exceed CDC guidelines to protect the health and safety of our guests.

Guests were required to show vaccination proof and a negative Covid-19 test within 72 hours of departing.

About 500 passengers were on board, with more than 95% fully vaccinated. Children who could not yet receive vaccinations were required to show negative Covid-19 tests.

Folks from Celebrity Cruise Must really investigate these two folks! Triple check their vaccine and covid negative paperwork.

As part of these test cruises, it would be cool to add antibody tests for everyone prior to sailing.

One more important thing (from what I heard) , different kinds of tests have different levels of precision; some kinds of tests tend to return false positives, some kinds of tests tend to return false negatives, some test are 50 percent accurate, so its a coin flip as to if the test is returning the correct result.

That's why the 72 hour thing has always baffled me. And the false-negatives. But I haven't put myself in any situations where they've been necessary, and I thankfully have a work situation that hasn't required them. I just feel like it's all smoke and mirrors. And has been.

 

[danlb_2000]

This is an interesting (albeit failed) test cruise. But this is exactly what test cruises are for!

Two guests aboard the first major sea cruise hosting Americans since the pandemic halted the industry have tested positive for coronavirus in required end-of-cruise testing.

The ship set sail Saturday "with fully vaccinated crew and guests and following comprehensive protocols that align with our destination partners and exceed CDC guidelines to protect the health and safety of our guests.

Guests were required to show vaccination proof and a negative Covid-19 test within 72 hours of departing.

About 500 passengers were on board, with more than 95% fully vaccinated. Children who could not yet receive vaccinations were required to show negative Covid-19 tests.

Folks from Celebrity Cruise Must really investigate these two folks! Triple check their vaccine and covid negative paperwork.

As part of these test cruises, it would be cool to add antibody tests for everyone prior to sailing.

One more important thing (from what I heard) , different kinds of tests have different levels of precision; some kinds of tests tend to return false positives, some kinds of tests tend to return false negatives, some test are 50 percent accurate, so its a coin flip as to if the test is returning the correct result.

But what are they testing? That if you put a bunch of people together on a boat that they will spread a virus? Didn't really need to do a test to know that.

 

[mmascari]

They write a policy in line with the CDC. But they will NEVER say “mask this 3 year old”. It’s on the parents now. My kids were in the Pfizer Phase 1. No placebo. They are 8 and vaccinated. So don’t assume.

Someone posted in the last 100 pages with exactly that complaint, that a 3 year old that was asleep was asked to fix a max covering the nose.

Fine, there's some very small percentage that are. So, again, if that's the assumption, and everyone is assumed to be in a trial. We're back at the slightly small nuance of "people don't like to lie, and this technically makes them lie". That's kind of a crappy rule.

Which really, back to the other point I made. If you're not doing any mitigations including distance while unvaccinated people eat. What's the point to the rest of the rules at all?

So, if there's no point to the rule and they're not going to enforce it beyond hoping people feel guilty, it's hardly a rule at all. Just come out say "We're open, pandemic over!". For people that accept the current levels as good enough, that's 100% true.

 

[Parker in NYC]

But what are they testing? That if you put a bunch of people together on a boat that they will spread a virus? Didn't really need to do a test to know that.

THIS.

 

[danlb_2000]

That's why the 72 hour thing has always baffled me. And the false-negatives. But I haven't put myself in any situations where they've been necessary, and I thankfully have a work situation that hasn't required them. I just feel like it's all smoke and mirrors. And has been.

No mitigation is 100%, 72 hours may have been considered good enough to reduce the risk.

 

[Parker in NYC]

No mitigation is 100%, 72 hours may have been considered good enough to reduce the risk.

Well, "good enough" doesn't cut it for me. You were right in saying no one needed a test to find out that this sort of thing would happen. That's my ideology.

 

[Mark52479]

One more important thing (from what I heard) , different kinds of tests have different levels of precision; some kinds of tests tend to return false positives, some kinds of tests tend to return false negatives, some test are 50 percent accurate, so its a coin flip as to if the test is returning the correct result.

Supposedly, they used a PCR test and they are known to pick up dead virus at times. Most likely why the 2 tested positive.

 

[ToTBellHop]

Someone posted in the last 100 pages with exactly that complaint, that a 3 year old that was asleep was asked to fix a max covering the nose.

Fine, there's some very small percentage that are. So, again, if that's the assumption, and everyone is assumed to be in a trial. We're back at the slightly small nuance of "people don't like to lie, and this technically makes them lie". That's kind of a crappy rule.

Which really, back to the other point I made. If you're not doing any mitigations including distance while unvaccinated people eat. What's the point to the rest of the rules at all?

So, if there's no point to the rule and they're not going to enforce it beyond hoping people feel guilty, it's hardly a rule at all. Just come out say "We're open, pandemic over!". For people that accept the current levels as good enough, that's 100% true.

They’re told to wear a mask now because there’s a mask mandate. There won’t be next Tuesday.

 

[mmascari]

It seems to me they’re just placing the responsibility for their guests’ health squarely on the shoulders of those guests. My guess is they are anticipating new CDC guidance on kids under 12 very soon.

That's fine then. Make that the rule.

"We're done, it's on you. There are no mitigations that are required. Cast members will take safety precautions required for them. It's up to guests to do the same based on their own judgement."

Again, if that's what the rule really means, it should say that.