Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

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hopemax

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What you are seeing is a response to the exact opposite.

Even though it was absurd to dismiss it so quickly, being as the virus was traced to Wuhan, and Wuhan just happens to have one of the most prominent virus research labs in the world, it was absolutely dismissed by the media and medical establishment as crazy wackoo conspiracy theories if anyone dared ask a question about it. There was a religious furor around it, like everyone was a complete moron for even questioning it. Every single talking head on TV, "medical" or not, was spouting the same lines.

The truth is, we don't know for sure yet - but instead of being honest with us about that, the media and medical community completely dismissed the question to begin with. It was either a coordinated "messaging" effort (pretty obvious as all the white coat talking heads on TV were saying the exact same lines), or they were crap scientists who made absolute statements about its origin when the evidence wasn't in yet, in order to control what people thought about it. That's what makes people suspicious, and rightfully so. In several instances now with this virus, we see where the "experts" are not there to deliver the latest and newest information, but to coordinate their messaging in order to make us believe what they want us to believe, and they tell us what we think will make us behave in the way they wish.

It's smelled bad since the very beginning. While if the virus was enhanced by the lab or simply escaped or not is yet to be determined, I absolutely cannot blame people for being very suspicious when we were fed what now seems like a wacky story about a "wet market" that just happened to pass the virus to people, which just happened to be within virtually feet and inches of a virology lab that was known to study these viruses.

What I think is dangerous is how so many people lost their common sense in analyzing the situation that was presented to us, and because of their political leanings went full force into yelling and screaming at everyone who thought differently how stupid they were. Not to mention, the power of Facebook/Twitter in that they wouldn't even allow people to discuss the possibility that this escaped from a lab - it's really, really scary that private companies get to dictate what is "real" or not, or what topics we should question or not.
When we talk about "people" I think we are referring to different subsets.

There is a subset within the affected professional communities who is legitimately questioning if they gave lab leak the proper examination. They consider themselves conscientious researchers, and are uncomfortable with the idea that they might have skipped some steps because they are committed to good research. The assumption was the intermediary would be obvious, and it hasn't worked out that way, so they are working through a legitimate process by "going back to the beginning." I expect that as they re-work through the process of what the SARS-CoV-2 genome is vs what viruses are known and available they will once again realize that the genetic disparities are too significant to be explained by human modification. Humans are not yet *that* good at manipulating that many nucleotides with success. Again, I refer to the implied hubris that comes with the idea that humans can do large-scale genetic modifications, in multiple areas of a genome and end up with a successful, replicating virus, because we've figured out how to tweak stuff. We hear 96% similarity and think "oh, close." The professionals do the analysis of recognizing that's still a difference of 1200 nucleotides, located all over the genome, not just the few highlighted nucleotides within the spike protein receiving all the attention, and come up with a different conclusion. Lab leak depends on proving that a proper backbone exists, and it is in this area where I expect the theory to be ultimately unable to explain. Things whittle down to which thing is more likely to find in nature, the previously discovered backbone close enough to make human manipulation feasible, or the zoonotic origin. Two different needles in a haystack.

It is not to this group that I was referring to by my statement.

There is a much larger group of people who are reacting to the recent volume of prominent articles, the people who are over-estimating the relevancy of their adjacent knowledge, and the continued political or personal agendas by the loudest proponents. Of course, many in this group wants to believe they are part of the conscientious group and not being manipulated or falling into a rabbit hole of incorrect assumptions and inadequate knowledge. And the manipulators certainly won't indicate that they doing any kind of piggy-backing on the conscientious concerns, when their intent is nefarious.

For the record, I don't find the proximity of the lab as suspicious as apparently a lot of people do. IMO, it feels like what happens with police investigations when you have a situation where a relationship between culprit and victim is the biggest factor in the crime. But the most likely relationship is one in which the subject has a sterling reputation that makes the crime unlikely. But there is a nearby criminal who has the appropriate history, but no relationship with the victim can be found. In the past, expediency and the touchiness of "ruining the reputations of good people" has led detectives to focus on the criminal despite their lack of connection. The "stranger" theory becomes elevated. DNA evidence, has resulted in refocusing to the people with relationships, and acknowledgement that even upstanding members of communities, good parents, and the like are capable of committing crimes too. The lab is the "nearby criminal" and the zoonotic option is the "relationship" that in almost every case has led to these situations.
 

seascape

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I didn't want to make daily reports anymore, I was hoping for weekly reports after Florida reports. Anyway, because today's NY Times report was bad, I have to. Wyoming increases to 16. Nevada increased to 11 and now West Virginia, Washington and Louisiana joined Colorado in double digits at 10. Not a good day. The country also increased to 15,091 or 4.55 per 100,000. In other words the Times is reporting 5 per 100,000.
 

disneygeek90

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Does anyone else look forward to the video that will undoubtedly be released of some chucklehead in EPCOT accidentally trying to drink and forgetting that the chucklehead still has a mask on, kinda like Ted Stryker's drinking problem on the movie "Airplane"?
On the contrary, I still find myself start to move my arm up before I take a sip, a la Pavlov's dog. I was conditioned for over a year to remove my mask prior to taking a sip when in the park.
 

GoofGoof

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My county went to weekly reporting on Tuesdays now and today’s report was 99 cases over the last 7 days which is about 14 cases a day on average or 1.7 cases a day per 100K. Exactly a month ago we had 125 cases in just one day. The drop off has been pretty dramatic. The vaccines really do work 🥳🥳🥳🎉🎉🎉👍👍👍
 

Kevin_W

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My county went to weekly reporting on Tuesdays now and today’s report was 99 cases over the last 7 days which is about 14 cases a day on average or 1.7 cases a day per 100K. Exactly a month ago we had 125 cases in just one day. The drop off has been pretty dramatic. The vaccines really do work 🥳🥳🥳🎉🎉🎉👍👍👍

My county (which has been the highest in the state) is at a 7-day average of 3.6 per 100k. 1 month ago it was 11.3 and 2 months ago it was 18.5. So I'm liking this trend and hope it continues.
 

GoofGoof

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I think it’s too soon to draw many conclusions yet, but at least one study is finding that stricter covid mitigations resulted in an economic upside vs places with looser restrictions. The theory which I have often supported throughout this pandemic is summarized here:

Yet for much of the past year, some experts have quietly advanced a counterargument: that economic activity is mainly affected by the rising and falling severity of the pandemic itself — not the relative strictness of the measures implemented to mitigate it. In fact, these experts argued, nonpharmaceutical interventions, or NPIs — a set of 20 government responses such as business closures, mask mandates and stay-at-home advisories that Oxford University rates according to stringency— can have an economic upside. The more the virus seems to be under control, the more eager people will be to participate in the economy.

For those who followed this thread along from the start you may remember me talking at nauseam about the economy not working when a large number of people sit out. This study is supporting that theory. I think many more studies will be needed and I caution anyone jumping to conclusions because the economy is driven by different segments of the economy in different regions (tourism vs manufacturing vs technology vs service companies, etc). It’s an interesting theory and an interesting read. I’m sure we will see many more similar studies going forward and the next phase will be to observe the impact on vaccination level on the economy going forward.

 

ABQ

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I think it’s too soon to draw many conclusions yet, but at least one study is finding that stricter covid mitigations resulted in an economic upside vs places with looser restrictions. The theory which I have often supported throughout this pandemic is summarized here:

Yet for much of the past year, some experts have quietly advanced a counterargument: that economic activity is mainly affected by the rising and falling severity of the pandemic itself — not the relative strictness of the measures implemented to mitigate it. In fact, these experts argued, nonpharmaceutical interventions, or NPIs — a set of 20 government responses such as business closures, mask mandates and stay-at-home advisories that Oxford University rates according to stringency— can have an economic upside. The more the virus seems to be under control, the more eager people will be to participate in the economy.

For those who followed this thread along from the start you may remember me talking at nauseam about the economy not working when a large number of people sit out. This study is supporting that theory. I think many more studies will be needed and I caution anyone jumping to conclusions because the economy is driven by different segments of the economy in different regions (tourism vs manufacturing vs technology vs service companies, etc). It’s an interesting theory and an interesting read. I’m sure we will see many more similar studies going forward and the next phase will be to observe the impact on vaccination level on the economy going forward.

They really need to find a way to include unemployment rates in their judgement of fairing better or worse. The way this study just sort of shrugs and say "meh, unemployment is too complicated to include" (paraphrasing) so they ignore the fact that CA's unemployment rate is nearly double that of FL's is quite a big thing to just leave out of the equation.
 

GoofGoof

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They really need to find a way to include unemployment rates in their judgement of fairing better or worse. The way this study just sort of shrugs and say "meh, unemployment is too complicated to include" (paraphrasing) so they ignore the fact that CA's unemployment rate is nearly double that of FL's is quite a big thing to just leave out of the equation.
Exactly. They used GDP as the primary metric. So if a bar or restaurant was open in FL and thus the workers were not counted as “unemployed” that drives unemployment down but if the restaurant is half empty then it doesn’t move the needle on economic impact and they could have even lost money being open. What unemployment rate alone also fails to address is people back in work but with reduced hours or reduced tips. Looking at GDP and overall macro economic factors you will always see less impact from lower wage hourly workers being unemployed especially when they were supplemented with extra unemployment comp as well as stimulus checks so they still had money to buy food and goods. It’s easy from a political standpoint to point at unemployment rates and claim victory but there’s more to it than that.

I think composition of the industries in a state is likely a bigger driver here. For example TX has a large stake in the oil industry and oil prices tanked last year while CA is much larger in agriculture which thrived with reduced foreign imports of food. FL has more reliance on travel and tourism which was still way down despite things being more open locally. Things like manufacturing were negatively impacted due to international supply chain issues.
 

mmascari

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My county went to weekly reporting on Tuesdays now
Every time I read one of these updates about a change in reporting frequency, or the FL one I think @DisneyCane said was reported to cost a ton to produce, it makes me wonder how lucky I am. Especially when counties are maintaining data daily, but only publishing it weekly.

Our county stood up a PowerBI dashboard. It looks like they update the underlying data daily. Then, the dashboard is just done. There's no PDF, or report, or extra task. The dashboard just shows the new data once it's been included.

Same with the state level, might be a different tool.

I wonder how much setting these up the first time cost vs how much the PDF report generation costs every day (or week now). Not a PowerBi recommendation, but one that reporting agencies should have automatic dashboards based on the data, not complex assembly processes.
 

Phil12

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But I live in a Florida county in which only 32% of the eligible population has been vaccinated. And, unfortunately, there are a lot of other counties within this state that have similar vaccination rates. Therefore, it doesn't matter how good the vaccine works if the majority of the populace refuses to get it. It's going to be a long summer, fall, winter, and spring. I'm still looking forward to 2023.
 

DisneyCane

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I think it’s too soon to draw many conclusions yet, but at least one study is finding that stricter covid mitigations resulted in an economic upside vs places with looser restrictions. The theory which I have often supported throughout this pandemic is summarized here:

Yet for much of the past year, some experts have quietly advanced a counterargument: that economic activity is mainly affected by the rising and falling severity of the pandemic itself — not the relative strictness of the measures implemented to mitigate it. In fact, these experts argued, nonpharmaceutical interventions, or NPIs — a set of 20 government responses such as business closures, mask mandates and stay-at-home advisories that Oxford University rates according to stringency— can have an economic upside. The more the virus seems to be under control, the more eager people will be to participate in the economy.

For those who followed this thread along from the start you may remember me talking at nauseam about the economy not working when a large number of people sit out. This study is supporting that theory. I think many more studies will be needed and I caution anyone jumping to conclusions because the economy is driven by different segments of the economy in different regions (tourism vs manufacturing vs technology vs service companies, etc). It’s an interesting theory and an interesting read. I’m sure we will see many more similar studies going forward and the next phase will be to observe the impact on vaccination level on the economy going forward.

Using GDP is way too simplistic. For example, CA is home to many large tech companies which were well positioned to do well during a pandemic and had technical workarounds for lockdowns. TX has a large petroleum industry component and oil and gasoline prices collapsed last year. I paid $1.49 for gas last May in South Dakota. On the same road trip this year the cheapest I got anywhere was $2.64.

It will take a lot of deep dive analysis that takes many metrics into account to try and draw a conclusion.
 

GoofGoof

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Using GDP is way too simplistic. For example, CA is home to many large tech companies which were well positioned to do well during a pandemic and had technical workarounds for lockdowns. TX has a large petroleum industry component and oil and gasoline prices collapsed last year. I paid $1.49 for gas last May in South Dakota. On the same road trip this year the cheapest I got anywhere was $2.64.

It will take a lot of deep dive analysis that takes many metrics into account to try and draw a conclusion.
I agree and I said that in my follow up post. The makeup of the economy varies in each state and that’s a big factor for sure. I think at a minimum what this type of study does highlight is the overly simplistic view that “less covid mitigations always equals a better economy” was flawed from day 1. The best thing for the overall macro economy is and always was lower covid cases and lower community spread.
 

GoofGoof

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Another vaccine milestone....the majority of eligible Americans are now officially fully vaccinated 🥳🥳🥳🎉🎉🎉

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GoofGoof

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On the Disney World front....some more small stuff coming back.
  • ‘Ohana and Sebastians at CBR have opening dates
  • Space 220 is hiring so an opening at some point in the next few months
  • rope drop is back
  • monorail capacity increased and standing is allowed again
  • possible return of parking trams soon
  • indoor play area at Dumbo reopening
I know it’s nothing Earth shattering (unless you love you some ‘Ohana 🥳) but it’s still a continuation of our return to normal at WDW. Baby steps 👍👍👍
 
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