Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

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GoofGoof

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I’m all for that idea. But Disney is hush hush on their plans. Maybe they should consider changing that?
My personal opinion is a lot will change at Disney parks in June. They have a desire to keep protocols similar or the same between DLR and WDW. DLR just opened but the Governor of CA has already stated they will be removing their remaining statewide Covid mitigations by mid-June assuming cases and vaccinations hold up. CA is at 51.1% of their total population with 1 shot so likely about 2/3 of adults with the vaccine and the are holding steady under 5 cases per 100,000 people. Looking good there. I think Disney will shift to 3 feet of distancing and by some time in June I think the whole country will likely be done with masks outdoors so they will drop outdoor masks too at both parks. Outside of that the only major thing left is indoor masks. Those will be around until we get enough people vaccinated to drop national cases below some metric like 10,000 cases a day.
 

DisneyFan32

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My personal opinion is a lot will change at Disney parks in June. They have a desire to keep protocols similar or the same between DLR and WDW. DLR just opened but the Governor of CA has already stated they will be removing their remaining statewide Covid mitigations by mid-June assuming cases and vaccinations hold up. CA is at 51.1% of their total population with 1 shot so likely about 2/3 of adults with the vaccine and the are holding steady under 5 cases per 100,000 people. Looking good there. I think Disney will shift to 3 feet of distancing and by some time in June I think the whole country will likely be done with masks outdoors so they will drop outdoor masks too at both parks. Outside of that the only major thing left is indoor masks. Those will be around until we get enough people vaccinated to drop national cases below some metric like 10,000 cases a day.
Then there won't be problem by fall and winter as the cases will be low ENOUGH.:) Right? ;)
 

GoofGoof

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so what’s the incentive? When lifting all mask mandates would raise the vaccination substantially according to polls. Having to wear a mask after vaccination is the #1 reason people don’t want to get it.
That’s not at all what the polls posted said. They said people would be more likely to get vaccinated if they personally could stop wearing a mask after getting vaccinated. If you lift all the mask mandates for everyone today than anyone who said they would get vaccinated if that meant they didn’t have to wear a mask just lost all incentive to be vaccinated since they don’t have to wear a mask now anyway.
 

ColeTrain04

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That’s not at all what the polls posted said. They said people would be more likely to get vaccinated if they personally could stop wearing a mask after getting vaccinated. If you lift all the mask mandates for everyone today than anyone who said they would get vaccinated if that meant they didn’t have to wear a mask just lost all incentive to be vaccinated since they don’t have to wear a mask now anyway.
That’s not at all what the polls posted said. They said people would be more likely to get vaccinated if they personally could stop wearing a mask after getting vaccinated. If you lift all the mask mandates for everyone today than anyone who said they would get vaccinated if that meant they didn’t have to wear a mask just lost all incentive to be vaccinated since they don’t have to wear a mask now anyway.
Agreed. But we have to completely lift the restrictions for vaccinated people first. Which I really don’t understand why that hasn’t happened yet. All the evidence points to it being safe to do so.
 

ColeTrain04

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Because there are a good number of people who lie.
Very true but that also has nothing to do with science. The CDC shouldn’t make guidelines more strict for vaccinated people because people will lie about being vaccinated. There are plenty of people who don’t follow the guidelines now so there really isn’t a difference. If it causes more people to get a shot then it should be a no brainer.
 

GoofGoof

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Agreed. But we have to completely lift the restrictions for vaccinated people first. Which I really don’t understand why that hasn’t happened yet. All the evidence points to it being safe to do so.
How does that work? Vaccine passports? Tha would be the only practical way. I’m vaccinated so would be fine with that it then we are relying on businesses like Disney to require proof of vaccination and then fight with the people who can’t provide it. From a practical standpoint it’s just easier to wait a month or 2. Eventually if enough people don’t get the vaccine we may need to shift to vaccine passports but I have consistently called that plan B. Plan A is still to get enough people vaccinated that a passport is unnecessary.
 

ImperfectPixie

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Very true but that also has nothing to do with science. The CDC shouldn’t make guidelines more strict for vaccinated people because people will lie about being vaccinated. There are plenty of people who don’t follow the guidelines now so there really isn’t a difference. If it causes more people to get a shot then it should be a no brainer.
Just stop. Multiple people have already explained to you why they can't just drop the mask mandates for those who are vaccinated.
 

ColeTrain04

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Because there are a good number of people who lie.
Just stop. Multiple people have already explained to you why they can't just drop the mask mandates for those who are vaccinated.
Because people will lie. That’s operating under the assumption that EVERYONE will lie which isn’t true. There are probably more honest people out there than those that would lie about it. Either way it would cause more people to get vaccinated I thought that was the end goal.
 

GoofGoof

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Because people will lie. That’s operating under the assumption that EVERYONE will lie which isn’t true. There are probably more honest people out there than those that would lie about it. Either way it would cause more people to get vaccinated I thought that was the end goal.
That’s not the reason. It’s because a business can’t tell who is vaccinated and who isn’t. How do you propose they rectify that? What’s the actual policy if I’m CVS or WDW?
 

ImperfectPixie

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That’s not the reason. It’s because a business can’t tell who is vaccinated and who isn’t. How do you propose they rectify that? What’s the actual policy if I’m CVS or WDW?
That's basically what I meant. No one wants vaccine passports (or they are actively trying to prevent them), leaving businesses with no way to know whether someone has been vaccinated or not. And as we've seen throughout the pandemic, there are people who just don't care and will disobey the rules regardless of who it harms.
 

Flugell

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Maybe, almost certainly, I’m wrong and at least confused but here’s my take! Nobody knows for certain, including scientists though they can hazard a more knowledgeable guess, what will happen in the future!

Therefore people who want to wait till 70% of the country are vaccinated and have full protection are erring on the side of caution and reducing the impact of the pandemic. We don’t currently know that 70% will be sufficient but to many that seems a reasonable hypothesis.

Others believe, with equal confidence, that once they have vaccination protection any other restrictions are unnecessary and merely provide extra inconvenience and damage their personal freedom. They are also fairly certain that the need to follow other restrictions are putting off others from getting the vaccinations.

Another group don’t appear to want a vaccine at all, again for a variety of reasons, which coming from the U.K. I don’t fully understand.

So the crux of the problem is in squaring the circle i.e. finding a compromise that is not only acceptable to all sides but absolutely focused on quashing the pandemic.

So how do we, move forward? That’s the million dollar question!

Vaccine proof would work for some, but not legal in Florida.

Removing all mitigations and saying- not vaccinated- tough take your chance! This works for some but again is unacceptable to many!

Stick it out for another month or so and review how the trends are looking.
This would be popular with some but again alienate others. If however the trend was downwards would that give people the confidence to remove everything? Personally it would make me want to continue to mask and distance to crush it further but I understand that is probably a lonely perspective. Even allowing for my inbuilt hesitancy, this would at least give some reassurance that things aren’t being rushed or that one side of the “argument” was being prioritised over the other! If that was done in tandem with vaccination targets then that would be brilliant. If the trends were genuinely going down but the vaccination targets weren’t reached then remove mitigations for the vaccinated. If the vaccination targets were reached but the trend wasn’t changing much, or as quickly as people would like still remove the need for further mitigations from the vaccinated. They could still continue to mask etc. if they chose to, though distancing would be more difficult.

Non vaccinated should continue to follow the mitigations! Yes I know that is unlikely to happen in reality but it should still be made crystal clear!

This comes with a caveat, that if cases significantly increased, reviewed at least once a month, due to the removal of mitigations then they would return for all.

Maybe, just maybe, that would work for the majority- who knows?
 
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