Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[GoofGoof]

Yup. In a strange turn of events, WDW will be closed by EO for failing to cancel all mitigations and for daring to encourage vaccination.

Maybe not by EO, but if their hand was forced Disney could choose to shut down rather than operate without restrictions which would be devastating to the local and state economies. It won’t actually happen that way, but if it does he may try an EO forcing them to remain open

 

[correcaminos]

That doctor is an idiot.

You're not wrong. If you ever wanted to read up on some crazies, check out DAN protocols.

 

[sullyinMT]

Maybe not by EO, but if their hand was forced Disney could choose to shut down rather than operate without restrictions which would be devastating to the local and state economies. It won’t actually happen that way, but if it does he may try an EO forcing them to remain open

Oh, I know it won’t happen (at least really unlikely). And I’m trying really hard today to stay out of trouble

The actions and messaging with cruising and local orders and how to behave are really astounding. It’s like the Twilight Zone, where “Florida Man” is in charge.

 

[Tony the Tigger]

As I understand it, the governor is only removing government restrictions, giving business owners like yourself the final say on which precaution(s) to take.

It takes the fight to us. Before, it was a County ordinance. The County is “the fall guy.” Now it’s the business owner’s decision. It necessarily invites conflict from nut jobs.

Again, our competitor already had to throw someone out today. We had arguments with people online several times today even though our policy is unchanged. This is unnecessary friction that was not so much happening yesterday, thanks entirely to this Governor. It invites the nut jobs to challenge us, make a scene, go after our employees, etc.

This was stupid, plain and simple. He already had no mandates where it’s less populated. Let real towns where actual numbers of people live continue to protect themselves and accidentally make him look good in the process.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I’ve only watched DeSantis from afar, but I found it interesting that Bill Maher of all people lauded DeSantis for being more knowledgeable and fact-based than many on his own side. These days it’s rare for any leftist to say nice things about a conservative, so I raised an eyebrow for sure.

As I understand it, the governor is only removing government restrictions, giving business owners like yourself the final say on which precaution(s) to take.

bill Maher has all but whined openly about how inconvenienced his life is now...

he also said covid wouldn’t be a problem If “everyone ate healthy and wasn’t fat”

and weed helps everything.

He’s not what you would expect in many ways. But also not a desantis backer. This one thing is Convenient for him.

 

[Tom P.]

It’s stunning that that’s necessary.

Save your life? Meh. $100? Woo hoo!

People in general are always motivated by immediate gratification over a delayed benefit. If they weren't, we wouldn't have a crisis of credit card debt and people's 401(k)'s would be overflowing. A $100 payment today resonates with many people more than protectiofrom something they get in the future but don't have right now.

yeah, don’t attack drunk drivers, either, right? They’re not irresponsible, they just don’t want their freedom restricted.

Literally no one is saying that drunk driving is okay or advocating that people do it. But when it comes to the vaccine, people are getting all sorts of misinformation from sources that seems reputable and that they, rightly or wrongly, trust. People should not be attacked because they've gotten bad information, even when they repeat that information. Instead, we should be trying to come together and educate those who are misinformed. That's the only way to solve this.

 

[Angel Ariel]

People should not be attacked because they've gotten bad information, even when they repeat that information. Instead, we should be trying to come together and educate those who are misinformed. That's the only way to solve this.

Some people choose to get bad information. There is a family member on DH’s side of the family who falls into this. We have all attempted to educate her. She actively chooses to believe random FB links rather than the well researched evidence multiple family members have presented her.

you can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make them drink. You can provide all the education you want, it doesn’t mean people will listen.

 

[Tony the Tigger]

People in general are always motivated by immediate gratification over a delayed benefit. If they weren't, we wouldn't have a crisis of credit card debt and people's 401(k)'s would be overflowing. A $100 payment today resonates with many people more than protectiofrom something they get in the future but don't have right now.


Literally no one is saying that drunk driving is okay or advocating that people do it. But when it comes to the vaccine, people are getting all sorts of misinformation from sources that seems reputable and that they, rightly or wrongly, trust. People should not be attacked because they've gotten bad information, even when they repeat that information. Instead, we should be trying to come together and educate those who are misinformed. That's the only way to solve this.

I disagree. Leaders are supposed to lead, not cater to the ignorant mob.

Mandate the vaccine just like all the other vaccines. Then educate people as to why that’s not an infringement on any rights.

 

[Disney Experience]

I never knew that Florida counties had mayors.

So the question is, does Florida law give counties and town any rights that cannot be overridden by the state?

Reedy Creek Improvement District (RCID) has certain rights that the state cannot or cannot easily override. I linked the details sometime back in this thread. RCID has a permanent population of about 5, contains two cities.(see population )..and Disneyworld).

 

[GhostHost1000]

Exclusive | Powerful teachers union influenced CDC on school reopenings, emails show

The American Federation of Teachers lobbied the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention on, and even suggested language for, the federal agency’s school-reopening guidance released in Febr…

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getting more difficult to trust the science and the government “rules” as this drags on

 

[LittleBuford]

Exclusive | Powerful teachers union influenced CDC on school reopenings, emails show

The American Federation of Teachers lobbied the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention on, and even suggested language for, the federal agency’s school-reopening guidance released in Febr…

nypost.com

getting more difficult to trust the science and the government “rules” as this drags on

Here, for those misled by the headline, is the meat of the “scandal”:

With the CDC preparing to write that schools could provide in-person instruction regardless of community spread of the virus, Trautner argued for the inclusion of a line reading “In the event of high community-transmission results from a new variant of SARS-CoV-2, a new update of these guidelines may be necessary.” That language appeared on page 22 of the final CDC guidance.​

The AFT also demanded special remote work concessions for teachers “who have documented high-risk conditions or who are at increased risk for … COVID-19,” and that similar arrangements should extend to “staff who have a household member” with similar risks. A lengthy provision for that made it into the text of the final guidance.​

What on earth is objectionable about these two edits? I fail to see how either of them is unreasonable, unscientific, or political.

 

[lazyboy97o]

I found it, but it really is just one sentence. If I had to bet I would guess they thought it was over reaching to keep a business from choosing it's customers by vaccination status, but who knows? I would have to believe the incident with the insane school owner would be pretty rare. Here is the amendment.

https://flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2021/2006/Amendment/941618/PDF

The Senate obviously believes the desire is more widespread or that just stopping the school will have enough negative press. The big problem is that this is not just some hypothetical. This isn’t someone arguing that wording seems like it allows for this. State officials acknowledged it is allowed and when presented with a simple fix the Senate and to an extent the governor who could have told people to get it added, deliberately chose to not include the fix. Any claim of preventing overreach is a crock as the amendment was to a bill that did the opposite, protect those who are not vaccinated.

 

[Patcheslee]

The temperature checks are not long for this world at the very least.

Are temp checks being done by CMs? I thought I read back when they first opened it was being done by Advent Health employees. Maybe there's a contract if it's still being outsourced, and Disney is just waiting for expiration.

 

[GhostHost1000]

Here, for those misled by the headline, is the meat of the “scandal”:

​

With the CDC preparing to write that schools could provide in-person instruction regardless of community spread of the virus, Trautner argued for the inclusion of a line reading “In the event of high community-transmission results from a new variant of SARS-CoV-2, a new update of these guidelines may be necessary.” That language appeared on page 22 of the final CDC guidance.​

The AFT also demanded special remote work concessions for teachers “who have documented high-risk conditions or who are at increased risk for … COVID-19,” and that similar arrangements should extend to “staff who have a household member” with similar risks. A lengthy provision for that made it into the text of the final guidance.​

What on earth is objectionable about these two edits? I fail to see how either of them is unreasonable, unscientific, or political.

I didn’t say it was objectionable, but the cdc is supposed to be the expert on health and safety, not the teachers unions. When you have other groups setting the “rules” for all, this can be a slippery slope. If they wanted to set those rules for their specific schools ok but if the CDC and WHO starts releasing things with outside influence...

 

[Figgy1]

Are temp checks being done by CMs? I thought I read back when they first opened it was being done by Advent Health employees. Maybe there's a contract if it's still being outsourced, and Disney is just waiting for expiration.

I believe that's the case

 

[DisneyCane]

The 16-24 group has surpassed the 25-34 group for percentage at least started in Florida.

Where are you seeing that? My calculation has 16-24 at 20.4% and 25-34 at 26.1%. My 16-24 calculation is a little off because my population number includes 15 but unless 15 year old people exist extremely disproportionately to the rest of 15-24, I can't be off by more than 2% or so.

 

[DisneyCane]

I never knew that Florida counties had mayors.

So the question is, does Florida law give counties and town any rights that cannot be overridden by the state?

With respect to States of Emergency I think the State can supersede any "political subdivision." In general, a "political subdivision" can have local ordinances as long as they do not conflict with State law. Kind of like after Hurricane Andrew when Miami-Dade county implemented stricter building codes than the State required.

Another example (making up numbers), if the State fire code allows for a capacity of .5 people per square foot and a county wants to set it a 0.25 people per square foot, they can do that.

What they can't do is decide this week to pass an ordinance that cuts restaurant capacity in half since the State level EO does not allow cutting capacity by an order by a "political subdivision." Passing the ordinance would be considered an ex post facto law and could not be applied to existing restaurants.

 

[Bob Harlem]

I believe that's the case

Contracted out. Universal will probably drop them first, with Disney/SeaWorld shortly after. (Although SeaWorld uses the large FLIR scanner catching everyone coming in at once, and not the forehead scanners)

 

[Nubs70]

A side "benefit" of Covid.

MSN

 

[The Mom]

Please try to not use overt political statements - as difficult as that may be.