ImperfectPixie
Well-Known Member
There ALWAYS seems to be at least one of "that family".
-
Welcome to the WDWMAGIC.COM Forums!
Please take a look around, and feel free to sign up and join the community.
Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion
- Thread starter Parker in NYC
- Start date
-
- Tags
- coronavirus covid covid-19
- Status
GoofGoof
Premium Member
We lost hybrid as an option but they kept the full virtual option. My kids are both back 5 days a week to physical school. There are at least a few new cases a week popping up at each of their schools but they keep saying no spread in school and the only known spread has been in after school activities.
ImperfectPixie
Well-Known Member
We've had a handful of positives resulting from at school exposure that I've seen...and continued and pretty steady positives caused by exposure outside of school (including after-school sports, etc.) Unfortunately, they haven't updated the page that shows the backlogs since the end of December, so I don't have an accurate count of the in-school exposures.
Those students who originally went full virtual here actually had to enroll in a state-run virtual program that is completely separate from the district. I know they'll be offered the opportunity to come back to the district schools, but I believe no one has been able to choose that as an option for at least a month or more (without actually withdrawing from our public school district).
correcaminos
Well-Known Member
It was the unvaccinated parents who exposed all the kids and eventually their kid got sick too. We lost one of our kids in the show to quarantine. They'll be back 2 days before taping the socially distanced masked group scenes.... we hope!
Same at my school district here in RI. Starting this week, it's either full time in person or virtual if you selected that at the beginning of the year.
DisneyCane
Well-Known Member
2 weeks ago, Southwest was doing pretty much standard service except no alcohol sales and limited drink selection. Previously it was water only.
Not sure what American is doing now. In March it was a bag with water, snack and sanitizing wipe as you boarded.
DisneyFan32
Well-Known Member
- In the Parks
- Yes
is social distancing and masks will be gone by October if cases are super low enough as Halloween comes, this drive thru experience is still doing this October. Why they do this again this year?
ImperfectPixie
Well-Known Member
Because just like with wearing masks, it's better to be safe than sorry for the time being.
GaBoy
Well-Known Member
I watch your replies. Can tell you have a big heart. Good Mom.
DisneyFan32
Well-Known Member
- In the Parks
- Yes
Yeah but masks will be removed by then in USA on October so this won't be problem anymore for Halloween as in person events for Halloween events.
ImperfectPixie
Well-Known Member
That's what it looks like...but we may need to wear masks for a little longer than that. We won't know for sure either way until we get closer to fall.
DisneyFan32
Well-Known Member
- In the Parks
- Yes
Maybe we will find it out by July as we may lose masks early or August/September if depends how cases will be super low by late summer/early fall.
ImperfectPixie
Well-Known Member
Maybe!
DisneyFan32
Well-Known Member
- In the Parks
- Yes
If that's case, then first time this Halloween will be much better without masks and social distancing along with Thanksgiving and Christmas by end of the year!Maybe!
correcaminos
Well-Known Member
That really is the hope and the direction we are going!If that's case, then first time this Halloween will be much better without masks and social distancing along with Thanksgiving and Christmas by end of the year!
Angel Ariel
Well-Known Member
They’re saying the data could be in by the end of summer according to that article. The article states approval would then hopefully be by the end of the year?
I really really am praying for actual approval to come closer to the end of summer...my daughter is 9 and high risk. She needs to be back in school, but also needs the vaccine.
SorcererMC
Well-Known Member
It's because of how the clinical trial was designed; with the 5-11 cohort phased in first before younger groups.
"For the first phase of the trial, the companies will identify the preferred dosing level for three age groups – between 6 months and 2 years old, 2 and 5, and from ages 5 through 11. The doses will be evaluated in children ages 5 through 11 first before researchers move on to the other age groups, they said.
Because the companies are evaluating the older age group first, it’s possible data on kids under age 5 could come “a bit later,” Tureci told CNBC
So Pfizer-BioNTech can request emergency use authorization from the FDA for that 5-11 age group when the data is available (end of summer).
And in practice, the FDA will fast-track that evaluation, per CNN, referring to the 12-15 request.
The FDA probably won't ask its Covid-19 vaccine advisory committee to weigh in on the request, the acting chairman of that committee said earlier. "They're not going to have advisories every time they tweak things," Dr. Arnold Monto said.
The FDA issues a revision to the existing Emergency Use Authorization.
Last edited:
ParentsOf4
Well-Known Member
Here is yet another front page article from a mainstream news outlet questioning President Biden's continued wearing of masks in situations where it is not supported by science.
As before when I posted the last such article (from Yahoo News), I'm sure there will be a rush to defend needless mask wearing. But please note that even some of President Biden's most ardent supporters are recognizing that Biden might be sending the wrong message. Despite the article's initial emphasis on this being a political debate, it later recognizes that this debate is going on amongst medical experts as well.
I encourage you to be open-minded and consider what strategies the President can employ to encourage the unvaccinated to get vaccinated.
Analysis by Stephen Collinson, CNN
Updated 1:02 AM ET, Mon May 3, 2021
(CNN) America's emerging limbo between a full-blown pandemic and a return to normal is throwing up new public health dilemmas that spark instant political fires -- like a fresh round of grandstanding over mask wearing.
Top White House adviser Anita Dunn Sunday defended President Joe Biden over his continued use of a mask outdoors -- even though the practice appears to conflict with new and relaxed administration guidelines for fully vaccinated citizens.
In comments that didn't necessarily clarify the situation, Dunn told CNN's Jake Tapper on "State of the Union" that "extra precautions" were being taken for the President and that mask wearing was "a matter of habit."
Republicans, seeking to dent strong public approval ratings for Biden's handling of the pandemic, have already accused him of whipping up stigma against people who refuse to wear masks, who include many conservatives. The Republican National Committee, for instance, blasted Biden for "breaking" US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention guidance, and the issue has become one of the latest culture war flashpoints for right-wing talk show hosts.
Republicans are seizing on the controversy over masks to bolster their wider narrative that Biden and Democrats are too politically correct and using the power of government to infringe on the freedoms of Americans -- a conceit that works for them on taxes to guns and public health to climate change.
The exchanges suggest that safely dismantling the web of Covid-19 precautions will prove as contentious as implementing them was, proving that little is immune from politicization in a nation internally estranged over ideology.
Debates among political rivals and in the medical community and conversations among citizens about how to emerge from a year of isolation are almost certainly only the first of a series of arguments about how vaccinated and unvaccinated people can behave. The coming months will likely see a flurry of controversies including in the hospitality industry, cruising, education, aviation and those triggered by the mass return to work.
It's not just political factions using the issue for partisan advantage -- though that is happening as Covid-19 restrictions continue to straddle the quintessentially American tension between individual freedom and the reach of government. Medical experts are engaging in an intense debate over whether the CDC is being too cautious in the way it's loosening mask guidance or is offering the public conflicting, confusing advice.
That medical debate is giving way to an escalating political debate as families struggle to assess their risks, look to leaders for advice and try to decide whether and how to travel, vacation and socialize in the surprisingly daunting process of resuming their pre-pandemic activities.
The latest debate over mask wearing -- a practice that ex-President Donald Trump did much to unnecessarily politicize during his neglectful handling of the pandemic -- was triggered by the President himself. He wore a mask while walking to a microphone at an outside announcement at the White House last week announcing new practices on masks. Then he told NBC News in an interview that it was a "patriotic responsibility" for vaccinated people to continue to do so. His comment came despite evidence that vaccines are highly effective and that Covid-19 is far less transmissible outdoors than in crowded and poorly ventilated indoor settings.
The President's remarks followed new CDC guidance last week that mean fully vaccinated people can now unmask at small outdoor gatherings or when dining outside with friends from multiple households. Unvaccinated people should still cover their faces.
The advice encapsulated the conundrum that may be impossible to solve in a nation where many people are now fully vaccinated -- but millions more decline to do so at a time when the virus is still widely circulating.
Scientists and administration officials have to balance giving incentives to reluctant Americans to get vaccinated -- by talking up the restored freedoms that it might bring -- while avoiding giving the impression that everyone should rip off their masks. Many Americans, meanwhile, in the first blush of summer, appear to be taking matters into their own hands with mask wearing anecdotally down in some cities and towns on the east coast this weekend.
After months of stressing caution and sticking to restrictions -- after a failure to do so cost thousands of lives under Trump -- Biden now appears at risk of paying a political price for being too circumspect even though his initial caution proved successful.
Dr. Jonathan Reiner, a renowned cardiac surgeon and professor at George Washington University, said the CDC had been "too cautious."
"They've been both very competent since the new administration took over and very cautious," Reiner said on CNN's "Inside Politics" on Sunday.
Reiner said that while he had been adamant on mask wearing for the first 12 months of the pandemic, he was certain that someone who has been fully vaccinated is immune from Covid-19, no longer needs to mask in public and can do the same inside.
"It's time for the CDC to start embracing this kind of bifurcated strategy and perhaps giving the unvaccinated a hint of what life can be like if they become vaccinated," he said.
Dr. Ashish Jha, dean of the Brown University School of Public Health, said that with average daily new cases of Covid-19 still above 50,000 and with many adults declining to be vaccinated, government experts will continue to be cautious.
"The CDC will be hesitant on pulling back indoor mask mandates and I think that's right," Jha said on CBS's "Face the Nation."
"This is a pretty dangerous time to be unvaccinated, but what (the) CDC is signaling is if you are fully vaccinated, freedoms are just becoming safer and safer for people."
And one Republican, Sen. Roger Marshall of Kansas, warned the administration over the weekend against trying to pressure or stigmatize that group.
"It is America. Everybody has an individual right. I think that one of the things we have to be careful about is not shaming people or talking down to them or objecting to their way of life," Marshall told CNN's Pamela Brown on "Newsroom" on Saturday.
Marshall, who is also a physician, has been working to persuade people that vaccines are the best way to ensure a swift return of normal life. But he argued that many Americans were being alienated by confusion over masks.
"They've been told they don't need a mask. They need a mask. They've been told that even if you have a vaccine, you have to keep wearing the mask," Marshall said.
But Dunn told Tapper that the best way to ease such concerns and to get rid of masks for good is to get vaccinated.
"People should follow the CDC guidelines, and they should take advantage of getting the vaccine, getting fully vaccinated, and taking that mask off, particularly as the weather grows so beautiful and we all want to be outside," Dunn said.
"It's a lot more fun to take that outside walk without a mask," she said.
As before when I posted the last such article (from Yahoo News), I'm sure there will be a rush to defend needless mask wearing. But please note that even some of President Biden's most ardent supporters are recognizing that Biden might be sending the wrong message. Despite the article's initial emphasis on this being a political debate, it later recognizes that this debate is going on amongst medical experts as well.
I encourage you to be open-minded and consider what strategies the President can employ to encourage the unvaccinated to get vaccinated.
Confusion over masks sparks new political showdown
https://www.cnn.com/profiles/stephen-collinsonAnalysis by Stephen Collinson, CNN
Updated 1:02 AM ET, Mon May 3, 2021
(CNN) America's emerging limbo between a full-blown pandemic and a return to normal is throwing up new public health dilemmas that spark instant political fires -- like a fresh round of grandstanding over mask wearing.
Top White House adviser Anita Dunn Sunday defended President Joe Biden over his continued use of a mask outdoors -- even though the practice appears to conflict with new and relaxed administration guidelines for fully vaccinated citizens.
In comments that didn't necessarily clarify the situation, Dunn told CNN's Jake Tapper on "State of the Union" that "extra precautions" were being taken for the President and that mask wearing was "a matter of habit."
Republicans, seeking to dent strong public approval ratings for Biden's handling of the pandemic, have already accused him of whipping up stigma against people who refuse to wear masks, who include many conservatives. The Republican National Committee, for instance, blasted Biden for "breaking" US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention guidance, and the issue has become one of the latest culture war flashpoints for right-wing talk show hosts.
Republicans are seizing on the controversy over masks to bolster their wider narrative that Biden and Democrats are too politically correct and using the power of government to infringe on the freedoms of Americans -- a conceit that works for them on taxes to guns and public health to climate change.
The exchanges suggest that safely dismantling the web of Covid-19 precautions will prove as contentious as implementing them was, proving that little is immune from politicization in a nation internally estranged over ideology.
Debates among political rivals and in the medical community and conversations among citizens about how to emerge from a year of isolation are almost certainly only the first of a series of arguments about how vaccinated and unvaccinated people can behave. The coming months will likely see a flurry of controversies including in the hospitality industry, cruising, education, aviation and those triggered by the mass return to work.
It's not just political factions using the issue for partisan advantage -- though that is happening as Covid-19 restrictions continue to straddle the quintessentially American tension between individual freedom and the reach of government. Medical experts are engaging in an intense debate over whether the CDC is being too cautious in the way it's loosening mask guidance or is offering the public conflicting, confusing advice.
That medical debate is giving way to an escalating political debate as families struggle to assess their risks, look to leaders for advice and try to decide whether and how to travel, vacation and socialize in the surprisingly daunting process of resuming their pre-pandemic activities.
'A patriotic responsibility'
The complications of exiting the pandemic -- a process that no one currently in positions of power has ever experienced -- explain why Biden's success in getting more than 100 million Americans fully immunized doesn't mean Covid-19 is no longer perilous or is any less politically treacherous for the White House.The latest debate over mask wearing -- a practice that ex-President Donald Trump did much to unnecessarily politicize during his neglectful handling of the pandemic -- was triggered by the President himself. He wore a mask while walking to a microphone at an outside announcement at the White House last week announcing new practices on masks. Then he told NBC News in an interview that it was a "patriotic responsibility" for vaccinated people to continue to do so. His comment came despite evidence that vaccines are highly effective and that Covid-19 is far less transmissible outdoors than in crowded and poorly ventilated indoor settings.
The President's remarks followed new CDC guidance last week that mean fully vaccinated people can now unmask at small outdoor gatherings or when dining outside with friends from multiple households. Unvaccinated people should still cover their faces.
The advice encapsulated the conundrum that may be impossible to solve in a nation where many people are now fully vaccinated -- but millions more decline to do so at a time when the virus is still widely circulating.
Scientists and administration officials have to balance giving incentives to reluctant Americans to get vaccinated -- by talking up the restored freedoms that it might bring -- while avoiding giving the impression that everyone should rip off their masks. Many Americans, meanwhile, in the first blush of summer, appear to be taking matters into their own hands with mask wearing anecdotally down in some cities and towns on the east coast this weekend.
After months of stressing caution and sticking to restrictions -- after a failure to do so cost thousands of lives under Trump -- Biden now appears at risk of paying a political price for being too circumspect even though his initial caution proved successful.
Scientists are not united over masks either
The political debate over masks is mirrored in the medical community.Dr. Jonathan Reiner, a renowned cardiac surgeon and professor at George Washington University, said the CDC had been "too cautious."
"They've been both very competent since the new administration took over and very cautious," Reiner said on CNN's "Inside Politics" on Sunday.
Reiner said that while he had been adamant on mask wearing for the first 12 months of the pandemic, he was certain that someone who has been fully vaccinated is immune from Covid-19, no longer needs to mask in public and can do the same inside.
"It's time for the CDC to start embracing this kind of bifurcated strategy and perhaps giving the unvaccinated a hint of what life can be like if they become vaccinated," he said.
Dr. Ashish Jha, dean of the Brown University School of Public Health, said that with average daily new cases of Covid-19 still above 50,000 and with many adults declining to be vaccinated, government experts will continue to be cautious.
"The CDC will be hesitant on pulling back indoor mask mandates and I think that's right," Jha said on CBS's "Face the Nation."
"This is a pretty dangerous time to be unvaccinated, but what (the) CDC is signaling is if you are fully vaccinated, freedoms are just becoming safer and safer for people."
GOP senator warns against 'shaming' vaccine holdouts
While public health experts warn that maximizing vaccinations is vital to creating the herd immunity in the population necessary to stop Covid-19 spreading, some 44% of Republicans said in a CNN poll last week that they wouldn't try to get an inoculation.And one Republican, Sen. Roger Marshall of Kansas, warned the administration over the weekend against trying to pressure or stigmatize that group.
"It is America. Everybody has an individual right. I think that one of the things we have to be careful about is not shaming people or talking down to them or objecting to their way of life," Marshall told CNN's Pamela Brown on "Newsroom" on Saturday.
Marshall, who is also a physician, has been working to persuade people that vaccines are the best way to ensure a swift return of normal life. But he argued that many Americans were being alienated by confusion over masks.
"They've been told they don't need a mask. They need a mask. They've been told that even if you have a vaccine, you have to keep wearing the mask," Marshall said.
But Dunn told Tapper that the best way to ease such concerns and to get rid of masks for good is to get vaccinated.
"People should follow the CDC guidelines, and they should take advantage of getting the vaccine, getting fully vaccinated, and taking that mask off, particularly as the weather grows so beautiful and we all want to be outside," Dunn said.
"It's a lot more fun to take that outside walk without a mask," she said.
ImperfectPixie
Well-Known Member
Sorry, but Marshall needs to shut the hell up.
Kevin_W
Well-Known Member
Based on what I've seen over the past 10-12 months, I really don't think it will make much difference in kids socialization habits.
- Status