here’s a horrific report of what happens in an unvaccinated populous. Granted, we won’t likely be this apocalyptic due to 40% vaccination rates and still slowly climbing. We also aren’t as densely populated as Delhi, but the overall point stands. Get your shot.
I still think that’s why we need a firm vaccination target nationally. We can say once enough people get vaccinated the restrictions go away and the resistors say what they have been saying since this started that we can‘t wait for that and that we need to learn to live with the virus. They blame the government and corporations for restrictions. If we had a target, say 70% of eligible people vaccinated, then we can flip the narrative on these people. The only thing delaying the removal of restrictions would be their resistance to a perfectly safe vaccine. Then whenever they complain you just shut them down with “get the vaccine or don’t complain”.
The numbers are from the CDC and they specify "fully vaccinated" so I assume (although we know what that does) that they are using their definition of "fully vaccinated" meaning at least two weeks after the final dose.
Agreed on everything but the Biden mask part. I think that’s a symbolic gesture attempting to normalize mask wearing. One issue with masks since the beginning is that we as Americans were just not used to wearing them or seeing them in public. If a leader wants me to wear a mask even after vaccinated then they better do the same thing. Once masks are not required for vaccinated people I would hope he stops wearing them.
Correct. The folks I know, and this is obviously anecdotal, since I am not a pollster or anything....
Agreed 100%.
I don't think the "I'm not afraid of getting COVID" is reasonable at all. It's been proven over and over that being young and healthy is no guarantee of a good outcome, and we still don't know the long-term health effects yet.
I wouldn’t say that was “kinda.”
The difference is that vaccine opposition is binary. It's either yes or no.
This is correct. It is also considered a dangerous, anti-science position by our public health apparatus.
The people who can be won over are those concerned things like the timeline, side effects and/or just ease of access. As had been said repeatedly, the people who want to stop engaging in mitigation will do just that on their own.
There is no stinking way I'd send my kid to school without a mask.
What's the endgame for the rest of us if this is your position?
We know.
Yes. The “kinda” was in reference to the individual. I’m fully supportive of his move, btw. Because it does need to be a large number of people for vaccines to have an impact.
Spread IS happening in schools. It's relatively low, but it is happening.
I'm in NJ where vaccination rate is in the top 8 states in the country. Up until two weeks ago, people were still hunting for appointments for vaccines. The demand was intense with (anecdotally) seemingly everyone complaining about trying to find an appointment. It's a lot easier now, but in most places, it's still by appointment. So, we're using the doses that are being shipped, we can't vaccinate faster than that.
I wonder if the "and/or positivity below 14 day rolling average of 5%" is giving some an excuse not to. Sure he could drop the mandate if rates get below 5% without the 70% vaccinated, but IMO it would depend how close to that number Orange Co gets. I don't interpret the positivity as a definitive milestone. Some on the other hand may think they can just keep doing what they have and wait for positivity to drop.The Mayor of Orange County laid it out. 70% get vaxxed and all restrictions are dropped, less than 70% and restrictions continue. It doesn’t get more clear than that. Are people really so dumb that they don’t realize that the fastest way to end restrictions is for everyone to get vaccinated? I really don’t think so. I think most of the people resisting realize this, but they have fought against restrictions for over a year that they don’t want to see them end that way. Getting the vaccine would be giving in and admitting that Covid was a serious problem. They want to see the restrictions end with the government giving up and removing them despite not reaching that goal so they can celebrate being “right” on Facebook. Sad that so many people would be willing to delay a return to normal just to save face. My simple answer is just go and get vaccinated and don’t tell anyone. This way you can help us all get back to normal faster, protect yourself and your family and at the same time save face and continue your online image of being anti-vaccination and a Covid denier. Problem solved
Spread IS happening with masks. It's relatively low, but it is happening.
That's about where MA is, too. When we got our 1st jabs on the 20th, it was still really hard to get an appointment. I know they're adding more vaccination sites, but it's slow going. I also know that some sites are only getting a few hundred doses a week.
