Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[LittleBuford]

Do you remember what it was like to be young?

Yes, I do, but I have OCD and have always been acutely concerned about others’ welfare, to the point where, as a teen, I would move broken glass from the pavement to stop others injuring themselves on it.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

Yes, I do, but I have OCD and have always been acutely concerned about others’ welfare, to the point where, as a teen, I would move broken glass from the pavement to stop others injuring themselves on it.

I'm the same way. I spend a good portion of our time at the pond during the summer cleaning up broken glass and bottle caps left by the weekend/overnight partiers.

 

[LittleBuford]

I'm the same way. I spend a good portion of our time at the pond during the summer cleaning up broken glass and bottle caps left by the weekend partiers.

Good for you—I’m sure the lovely creatures inhabiting the pond appreciate it!

 

[lazyboy97o]

Do you remember what it was like to be young?
I know you've seen the statistics of how covid effects people along various age groups.
Young, healthy people have a risk that is smaller than that of several other things that might kill them.
Many young people are going to need to be convinced to get vaccinated to help other people, and society as a whole.
That's a fairly tall order.

Maybe not limiting negative outcomes only to death would help?

 

[ImperfectPixie]

Good for you—I’m sure the lovely creatures inhabiting the pond appreciate it!

I need to bring my good camera one of these days...there are Great Blue Herons and Egrets there...GORGEOUS! I've missed some spectacular shots.

(I should clarify...it's more like a lake...it twists around through the trees and gets narrow in some spots, but it's huge. And there's a sandy beach and picnic tables. There were grills for cooking, too, but the bad apples wrecked that and they pulled them out.)

 

[hopemax]

Do you remember what it was like to be young?

Well, I was 8 when I was diagnosed with my chronic, autoimmune issue. So I know how embarrassing it is having one when you are young. I also know how inconvenient it is when 3 times a week you have to take a bus one hour to get to your treatment and then a bus one hour back when you are in college and wanting to do other things. The insurance bills and co-pays went to my parents, so I guess there was that.

 

[GhostHost1000]

Literally nobody on this thread is saying COVID needs to completely go away. Even @havoc315 who is hoping for the lowest possible spread of anyone else here isn't asking for completely gone. The only people saying this are those who are creating an impossible goal as justification that it's unattainable.

Many people posting have drawn a line, several slightly different. It's your choice to ignore those and instead argue against a fake goal.

Which really just makes us all think your line is at or even larger than 650 daily / 230,000 yearly dead. That's fine, if that's your number. But, please, just own it then. That's your line, we're there, good to go, open it all up, it'll rise a little then, say 250,000 dead every year when we have a perfectly valid vaccine that can prevent it. Drop the "When is something going to give" and just own it, you're fine with 250,000 dead every year if that's the cost of getting back to normal.

I’m not fine with any dead but to put it into perspective 1.35 million people die in car crashes each year but we still drive the same and accept the known risk. At some point we will all have to do the same with this because it’s not fully going away just like 5pm traffic and drunks on the roadways

 

[GhostHost1000]

Is there some reason you believe that won't happen? Do you think we have to hit 110% attainment? I'm confused by the lack of confidence. Unless you think people will continue to be selfish and we stall at 65%?

Because everything has been so doom and gloom. Even news about vaccine issues which keeps even more people from wanting to get a vaccine now

 

[ImperfectPixie]

I’m not fine with any dead but to put it into perspective 1.35 million people die in car crashes each year but we still drive the same and accept the known risk

That's world-wide, correct? Because we've lost nearly 3x that number world-wide to COVID in the last year. And India and Brazil are BAAAAAD right now.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

Maybe not limiting negative outcomes only to death would help?

I do think clarification on other outcomes, the long-haulers, and some of the longer lasting effects would likely be helpful and perhaps get some people to be vaccinated.

My BIL still feels weak from time to time, and he had it very early in the pandemic.
My bestie has had it for the last 2 1/2 weeks...and is suffering through a headache that just doesn't want to quit after two weeks of fever.

 

[DisneyFan32]

That's world-wide, correct? Because we've lost nearly 3x that number world-wide to COVID in the last year. And India and Brazil are BAAAAAD right now.

US is doing much better than India and Brazil because we're herd immunity better!

 

[GoofGoof]

I’m not fine with any dead but to put it into perspective 1.35 million people die in car crashes each year but we still drive the same and accept the known risk. At some point we will all have to do the same with this because it’s not fully going away just like 5pm traffic and drunks on the roadways

This isn’t really true though. We don’t just drive with no restrictions and accept the risk. We have speed limits and traffic laws and cars are required to have safety equipment and in some places annual inspections to ensure they are safe. Drunk driving is illegal. I am not just allowed to drive drunk and take the risk. So if covid is the equivalent of driving than masks are speed limits and mandatory safety equipment on cars is social distancing. We’ve accepted these restrictions on our freedom to drive how we want for the greater good. To protect ourselves and also protect others from us. Despite the covid restrictions put in place millions still died worldwide and despite speed limits and auto safety features millions still die in car accidents. The biggest difference is we have a simple vaccine that can be used to allow us to get out of Covid restrictions if enough people take it. No such vaccine exists to allow me to safely drive 110MPH down I-95 in a car with no airbags, anti-lock breaks or turn signals

Fortunately the covid restrictions are not permanent. This will end eventually.

 

[mmascari]

I’m not fine with any dead but to put it into perspective 1.35 million people die in car crashes each year but we still drive the same and accept the known risk. At some point we will all have to do the same with this because it’s not fully going away just like 5pm traffic and drunks on the roadways

Wow, such a bad faith comparison. Roughly 40k die annually in the US. We spend immense amounts and huge regulation and standards to lower the number every year.

Just own it, you’re clearly fine with hundreds of thousands in the US dying every year.

This entire post is a lie to make yourself feel better. Own it, come to terms, stop kidding yourself. You’re clearly already at “some point” as the impacts exist today.

 

[Tom P.]

Fortunately the covid restrictions are not permanent. This will end eventually.

We hope. I still maintain not everyone wants the restrictions to ever end.

 

[Chomama]

We hope. I still maintain not everyone wants the restrictions to ever end.

Agree there too. But the vast majority want it to end and we should focus our energy on getting there

 

[BrianLo]

Alberta quietly opened up Pfizer to 12-15 year olds today with eligible health concerns.

It has caused some pandemonium for other reasons... but I feel like the US likely will be following along. Hopefully they do simply to find more willing arms.

 

[Chomama]

Alberta quietly opened up Pfizer to 12-15 year olds today with eligible health concerns.

It has caused some pandemonium for other reasons... but I feel like the US likely will be following along. Hopefully they do simply to find more willing arms.

I hope so! My 12 and 14 year old kids are chomping at the bit!

 

[BlindChow]

I still maintain not everyone wants the restrictions to ever end.

Anti-maskers have been desperately trying to play this card since this pandemic began...

May 2020: "If you don't want to drop mask restrictions right now, you obviously just want them to go on FOREVER!!!"

And shortly afterwards, of course, came the huge spike, and hundreds of thousands died, and hundreds of thousands more have had lasting health effects due to Covid.

But yeah, not wanting to drop restrictions RIGHT THIS SECOND means people want them to go on forever. Grow up.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

We hope. I still maintain not everyone wants the restrictions to ever end.

I have sinus issues and asthma to boot. Masks make me MISERABLE as they exacerbate my sinus issues and that can trigger my asthma. As willing as I am to wear a mask longer than I need to in order for restrictions to be gradually eased up and for others to feel at ease, there's no way in hell I want them to last forever.

The one thing I wouldn't mind sticking around is more awareness of personal space.

 

[Tony Perkis]

We hope. I still maintain not everyone wants the restrictions to ever end.

And some people are too short-sighted to realize that their pseudo free-thinking mantra that denies science and the effective of vaccines and masks are the primary reason why these restrictions will be required longer than they otherwise should be.