GoofGoof
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I agree. It’s most useful as a “stick” to get people to get the vaccine. I also agree that as someone who is vaccinated I’d prefer to be around others who are vaccinated too.
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Smooth
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I took a quick look. Looks about 59,000 have had a least one shot in the 5 counties that I referenced.Looking good for you. Thats the equivalent of a daily average of 7.5 cases per 100,000 people. If the whole country was at that level we’d be at about 25,000 cases a day. That‘s a lot better than where we are today. Fauci and other experts when pressed to give a number of new daily cases that would the trigger a removal of major Covid mitigations like masks and distancing said under 10,000 cases a day which is roughly 3 cases per 100,000 people. So for your area when the case average per day drops below 7 that’s the level he’s talking about. Pretty close already
Do you know what percent of people in those counties is vaccinated?
Jrb1979
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I just don't understand why so many are against it. You wouldn't need for every day life.
correcaminos
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Roughly 30% with one dose. 23% with 2. They are very rural in Scioto. Franklin co which has Columbus is 40% 1 dose and 29% fully vaccinated. Feel free to look at our data here https://franklindashboard.netlify.app/Looking good for you. Thats the equivalent of a daily average of 7.5 cases per 100,000 people. If the whole country was at that level we’d be at about 25,000 cases a day. That‘s a lot better than where we are today. Fauci and other experts when pressed to give a number of new daily cases that would the trigger a removal of major Covid mitigations like masks and distancing said under 10,000 cases a day which is roughly 3 cases per 100,000 people. So for your area when the case average per day drops below 7 that’s the level he’s talking about. Pretty close already
Do you know what percent of people in those counties is vaccinated?
Not to be a downer, but Scioto is not indicative of the state as a whole. They have 75k people. Franklin has over 1.3 million. Apples and bananas really
DisneyFan32
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Both. Encourages people to get the vaccine.
And allows those who have taken the vaccine to have “normal.”
Large venues wouldn’t need social distancing and masks, if there were vaccine passports.
And depending on the types of locations they are required, they would push many people out of their vaccine hesitancy. (If you need the passport to enter any restaurant, shopping mall, sports stadium, to enter any school as student or visitor, etc).
GoofGoof
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Most people who are vaccinated would probably not have an issue with doing it themselves. The unvaccinated will obviously be opposed. That group looks like it will be up to 30% of the population which will make for a lot of potential confrontation. I think most businesses would prefer not to have to do it if they can avoid and the workers who would have to enforce it I’m sure don’t want to deal with all that conflict. They spent the last year plus now fighting idiots over mask rules I’m sure they are looking forward to going back to work and not having to deal with that. From a business prospective it’s not a return to normal if you have to exclude a not insignificant percentage of potential customers. It’s not ideal to have to do.
I’d call it a last resort if other options are not possible. I think that last resort applies right now to cruise ships and any type of international travel. I’d even say for international travel I’d keep the negative Covid test rule even for anyone fully vaccinated. You don’t get into the country without a negative Covid test.
GoofGoof
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There will never be vaccine passports for restaurants and shopping malls in this country. That’s just not even worth talking about. For schools it’s possible once kids are actually approved vaccines will be required. Way to soon to know if that will be necessary.
I'm guessing this is because we only have 6 months of study for vaccine efficacy. I imagine if the group under study still looks good after 9 months, this would get extended.
You keep asking the same series of questions over and over again as if the people on this website are well-studied top experts in the fields of epidemiology and human behavior, or oracles of the future. Truly no one will know what the end of the pandemic will look like and when it will happen until it almost simply does. There have been some well-educated guesses here on how domestic vaccine rollout will work over the next 6-10 weeks, and how those actions will play into WDW operations and the operations of businesses that operate parallel to/tangential of parks and resorts operations, but that is an infinitesimal piece of the puzzle. Every state is and will be different. Intracontinental response is up in the air. When it comes to overseas, the EU is twiddling their thumbs, and don't look at what is happening in India now if you have a weak heart or stomach.
Looking at everything I am optimistic that the entire US will be in on demand for 18+ by the middle of June, with 12-18 efforts likely starting in direct and targeted earnest around that time. But no one anywhere, including here, really "knows" anything concrete and actionable except for the Vitamin D guy, and I would not really put stock into that "knowledge."
You’re right — it won’t happen. But it would be very effective if it did happen.
vaccine passports are being required for my daughter’s Bat Mitzvah celebration in June.
Nubs70
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I think the J&J vaccine fatalities will grow as time goes on. My SIL friend just died 7 days after her shot. If you are in the demographic, insist on the Pfizer shots.
Really, he was one of the three who died from it?
BTW, more people will die from blood clots they got from catching COVID then will die from the J&J vaccine.
GhostHost1000
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I think that’s part of the problem tho those that aren’t for or going to get the vaccine are the ones also not wearing masks and just trying to live life as before with no worries. There are exceptions of course but if that’s the case we should be able to return to normal and let their decision be what it may but I don’t think places like Disney will
GhostHost1000
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They are only ruining it for everyone else if those that are vaccine continue to have to live like this. Something has to give at some point
GhostHost1000
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Or more incentive to getting the shot as in then you can live life normally again without masks and social distancing. I’m shocked they are promoting that more because right now the image is get a shot, possibly have some side effects, and continue to live how you were before the shot
Jrb1979
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Until a high percentage have been vaccinated you still need to wear masks and do social distancing. Eventually those will end.
GhostHost1000
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I know and that is the problem with those on the fence about getting a shot or those not wanting to get one at all because to them to there is no incentive because nothing to them changes
Jrb1979
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All the more reason for vaccine passports for places of large gatherings. There is more positives then negatives to them. They allow businesses to run at max capacity, people will feel better about returning to places with large crowds and you get the desired herd immunity that many here are hoping for. IMO with out you aren't coming close. I do see it being a permanent thing once vaccine passports come into play.
GhostHost1000
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It depends on how we want to handle things
1- require vaccine passports and restrict those who don’t get them to be able to do certain things
or
2- not restrict anyone and let those that don’t get the vaccine to make their own safety decisions rather than the government or businesses
something is going to have to give and in something like Disney’s case, my guess is they will do #2 eventually but how long will those that are vaccinated have to wait for that to happen. I’m afraid too long and therein lies the problem
pixie225
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Still heading in the right direction, as I am hoping other states are:
From Gov. Cuomo -
Here's what else you need to know tonight:
1. COVID hospitalizations dropped to 3,387, the lowest since November 28. Of the 240,930 tests reported yesterday, 4,901, or 2.03 percent, were positive. That is the lowest single-day positivity rate since November 5. The 7-day average positivity rate was 2.45 percent. There were 786 patients in ICU yesterday, down 25 from the previous day. Of them, 483 are intubated. Sadly, we lost 45 New Yorkers to the virus.
2. As of 11am this morning, 43.4 percent of New Yorkers have completed at least one vaccine dose. Over the past 24 hours, 184,119 total doses have been administered. To date, New York has administered 14,124,641 total doses with 30.2 percent of New Yorkers completing their vaccine series. See data by region and county on the State's Vaccine Tracker: ny.gov/vaccinetracker.
From Gov. Cuomo -
Here's what else you need to know tonight:
1. COVID hospitalizations dropped to 3,387, the lowest since November 28. Of the 240,930 tests reported yesterday, 4,901, or 2.03 percent, were positive. That is the lowest single-day positivity rate since November 5. The 7-day average positivity rate was 2.45 percent. There were 786 patients in ICU yesterday, down 25 from the previous day. Of them, 483 are intubated. Sadly, we lost 45 New Yorkers to the virus.
2. As of 11am this morning, 43.4 percent of New Yorkers have completed at least one vaccine dose. Over the past 24 hours, 184,119 total doses have been administered. To date, New York has administered 14,124,641 total doses with 30.2 percent of New Yorkers completing their vaccine series. See data by region and county on the State's Vaccine Tracker: ny.gov/vaccinetracker.
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