Jrb1979
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If it's #2 IMO it will well into fall if not longer. I base that on that I think we are getting closer to a wall in the amount of people vaccinated a day. I don't think you will see the 70% many are hoping for.
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GhostHost1000
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I agree but the problem with #2 dragging on is business revenue...especially Disney
Then they need to be educated.
Because they get both immediate changes and long term changes.
Immediate:
1. You get strong protection from the virus!
2. You can socialize with vaccinated friends and families in small gatherings without masks and without social distancing!!
so those are huge immediate changes.
Long term changes: no more masks and social distancing in public, as soon as you get vaccinated and most of your neighbors get vaccinated!
GoofGoof
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This is true. I don’t disagree in theory. The only problem is if people think the plan is a return to normal no matter what they won’t get the vaccine. They think they can just wait it out and restrictions will go away anyway. All aspects of government need to blitz the media with the message that if enough people don’t get the vaccine we don’t get a return to normal. Bring up the Summer and the lost good times we will lose. Be completely blunt and straight forward that masks, distancing and no group gatherings will continue indefinitely until we reach enough people vaccinated. Pick a rate. Say 80% and say if we reach 80% of the eligible population vaccinated all Covid protocols will be lifted. It has to be a level that experts feel confident cases will drop. I’d be good with 75% to be honest. I know it’s not what some want to hear and they want to focus on cases only, but when establishing a goal it’s better to have a finite target that’s easily judged and tracked.
Instead we have states like FL where the government is going out of its way to portray a return to normal without the vaccine. There’s a reason states are falling behind. In places where restrictions continue indefinitely the vaccine uptake is much better. People have accepted it’s the only way to get back to normal. Letting people think there’s even the possibility of a return to normal without being vaccinated is very damaging to the vaccine campaign.
The best plan is to get 80%+ of the population to get the vaccine then it’s a guaranteed return to normal. If we are at 60-70% when we run out of vaccine candidates then it’s a wait and see game. If that’s not enough to drive cases down it’s on to plan B which involves vaccine passports and restricting activity of those who refuse to get a vaccine. That’s a last resort since it means many more months of conflict and unrest when the country really needs some time to just heal and recover. There is no plan C where we just learn to live with the high level of virus and relax all restrictions even if not enough people get the vaccine. We are all better off if more people just get on board with plan A because plan B is ugly and C is a fantasy.
GaBoy
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Won't work in GA... at least everywhere but metro Atlanta. Been doing that for months. Only place masks are worn at all is some of the larger retailers like HD or Sams. Then maybe 50%. Nobody wearing a mask in public. Only ones we see do it are tourists around Savannah. Coastal counties have a better rate of vaccination. My immediate family has all been fully vaccinated but the rates of infection are about there with everybody else. Maybe because it was never really closed and a lot of recovered folks out there. People never were bad here about crowding up on each other.
GoofGoof
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For Disney option 2 only happens when cases and the Covid situation dictate it does. If we get less than 60% of the population vaccinated it is going to take a lot longer. Eventually we can still reach herd immunity and the restrictions get lifted but it will take months longer. Most likely the Summer at WDW gets lost. Hopefully they make some progress by Oct 1 but who knows.
DisneyFan32
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Hopefully we will getting faster than that one because many people will getting vaccinated so summer may still be good for WDW finally. And we will getting back to normal sooner than that one.
JoeCamel
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This is kind of a "DUH" study but it goes to the point some other posters were making. Sure, if you are more healthy going in you have a better chance of a less severe outcome. 22 minutes a day is what is normally recommended but few get
www.marketwatch.com
Exercising about 22 minutes a day could cut your risk of getting severe COVID or dying, study finds
The least active people were hospitalized almost 2x as much, and were 2.5x times more likely to die vs. the most active people
www.marketwatch.com
Chomama
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Here you go for the cruise protocols! Vaccine required by Disney as well as negative tests https://disneycruise.disney.go.com/...yMaY2_LSgSQ0ASTijkCexMXpkn0XqxQMomy-9oPjD8///
Bill in Atlanta
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Has Japan closing Universal already been discussed? How is Japan, with maybe the highest mask adherence in the world, having a spike right now?
Jrb1979
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It has to do with their slow rate of getting people vaccinated. Masks don't work in private homes when you aren't wearing them. It does show how quick the UK variant can spread quickly. Their ICUs are filling again.
BlindChow
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I think this is a feasible option to counter some of the "political" opposition to getting the vaccine, and I can see officials adopting this strategy if/when the "new vaccinations" number hits a wall.
If new vaccinations basically stop at, say, 68%, and the number needed to lift restrictions is given at 75%, perhaps the idea of getting the extra 7% becomes enough to drive those who are "on the fence" to get the shot.
I think an actual goal to reach would be more effective than a general admonition about the importance of getting vaccinated.
A small spike. Not comparable with occidentals countries.
I think the rules will evolved when the vaccine will be available for all of us. You can't do vaccine passport as long as everyone CAN have a chance to have the vaccine. After that, if only 70% of the population get vaccinated, this is the choice of the 30% to not get vaccinated. From that, if the vaccination is not sufficient, i think and i hope vaccine passport will be mandatory to enter in a Disney park. It is the choice of the 30% to not get vaccinated whereas they have the choice to do it...they take the risk to get infected. But we have to wait until this moment...
GaBoy
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So at least from a corporate level this is the first instance of a vaccine requirement (but only for the UK). Does this have any bearing on anything in the US? A softening or change of attitude?
Incomudro
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And don't use celebrities or politicians in the campaign.
Use a simple and clear message coupled with graphics.
GoofGoof
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Pretty interesting. They are requiring
- Proof of vaccination for anyone over 18
- A negative test from the last 5 days for under 18.
- When boarding the ship everyone (including those fully vaccinated) have to pass an additional antigen quick test.
- While onboard the ship they are also still requiring masks in all public spaces unless stationary and eating for anyone over 11 including those fully vaccinated
- Masks are recommended for kids 3-11
- Daily health screening including temp check and health questionnaire
This is not for cruises out of the US and particularly FL. I wonder how they handle the testing and vaccine requirements for FL based US cruises or will they just avoid cruising out of FL for the immediate future.
Incomudro
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Two points to add to this:This is kind of a "DUH" study but it goes to the point some other posters were making. Sure, if you are more healthy going in you have a better chance of a less severe outcome. 22 minutes a day is what is normally recommended but few get
Exercising about 22 minutes a day could cut your risk of getting severe COVID or dying, study finds
The least active people were hospitalized almost 2x as much, and were 2.5x times more likely to die vs. the most active people
You don't need to go to a gym - or even have any equipment, let alone leave the house to meet those exercise goals.
There are a myriad of ways to exercise using nothing at all but your own body.
Body fat is lost primarily through eating, rather - what you don't eat.
GoofGoof
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Let the muppets do it. Who doesn’t like the muppets, very bi-partisan.
Use a simple and clear message with a firm target percentage that guarantees a return to normal (80%+). Then if/when we don’t hit the percentage all of us vaccinated people can firmly blame and continually shame the people who didn’t get a vaccine for ruining the Summer and being selfish and killing the economy. Use the peer pressure power of social media and put the Karens to work for a good cause for once. If people who didn’t get vaccinated don’t like it...tough doo doo.
Incomudro
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I would welcome anything that requires a booking, or purchase of tickets - such as a hotel, theme park, cruise etc., to require proof of vaccination.
Jrb1979
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I hope that becomes the norm from now on. Once kids can be vaccinated they won't need a test.
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