Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

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HarperRose

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Not the least bit surprising. 😂

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GoofGoof

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Yet --- Cases have fallen MUCH more significantly in the UK. And UK is hitting vaccination rates of 95%+ among eligible groups.

Yes, the pace will decline in the UK -- as they hit 95%. For us, the decline in pace is happening at a much lower vaccination rate.

So again -- why are cases falling so much more in the UK and then US?
Because they are achieving higher vaccination rates and because they are simultaneously mitigating.
The UK has focused more on first shots and that’s the main reason they have a higher percentage of 1st shots done. The US is ahead in completed vaccinations done. As usual, you are twisting multiple arguments. You said the US is falling behind the pace of vaccinations in the UK but that’s factually inaccurate. Our pace right now is higher adjusted for population size. What decline in pace in the US? Our 7 day daily average of vaccinations has been increasing and hasn’t fallen off despite the JnJ pause. You are attempting to paint a narrative that doesn’t fit with reality.

Cases have fallen off faster in the UK due to having more people with first shots done. That’s exactly what I said. They have also been on lockdown but are coming off. If in the next few weeks the cases continue to drop it’s a good sign that the vaccinations are a bigger driver than the lockdown was. If cases spike then they may have to pause their relaxingmof mitigations.
 

DCBaker

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"Florida will receive 423,750 doses of the COVID-19 vaccines from the federal government this week, the second week in a row with less supply after the pause in Johnson & Johnson vaccines continues.

Last week, national supply numbers released by the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services stated Florida would be in line to receive 549,230 of the initial doses of either the Moderna or Pfizer vaccines. This is the first week that the final numbers from the state Department of Health, which are revealed Fridays after it makes its order from the federal government on Thursdays, were significantly different than the numbers HHS puts out earlier in the week, in this case more than 125,000 doses-worth.

Last week, the state reported it would receive 554,370 doses from the federal government, which usually come in Monday-Wednesday.

For this week, the state will allocate 57,760 doses to four counties in Central Florida, down 64,980 from the previous week, and in 10 locations, down from last week’s announced 19 locations. Statewide, locations are down from 209 to just 76 this week.
  • Lake County: 8,190 (down from 15,410).
  • Orange County: 27,510 (down from 29,790)
  • Osceola County: 8,020 (up from 6,680)
  • Seminole County: 14,040 (up from 13,100)
The Central Florida sites expecting the most doses are the Orange County Convention Center, Valencia College POD, Lake Square Mall and the Oviedo Mall.

Statewide, Walgreens and CVS pharmacies will each receive 50,310 Pfizer doses and Publix pharmacies will receive 55,000 of the state’s Moderna doses; the retail pharmacy allocations are the same each week. The state’s list does not include doses the federal government will distribute directly through its retail partners including Publix, Walmart, Winn-Dixie and CVS."

 

hopemax

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Milwaukee is the city of my birth, but I moved away when I was 2. I guess I still grew up talking like my parents, with a lot of "out west" (where I grew up) thrown in as well. My parents did outgrow the use of "bubbler" because no one in the PacNW knew what the heck that was.

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MisterPenguin

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With all the concern about variants, where is the concern about the refugees being allowed and then released into the country without being tested for Covid? Please note that this is not anti-immagration. Not about race, not politics or anything other than the protocols/orders of the CDC which are the guidelines we've been instructed to follow.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) within the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) issued an Order on January 12, 2021 requiring proof of a negative COVID-19 test or documentation of having recovered from COVID-19 for all people arriving from foreign countries.

It seems there are two separate set of rules for citizens and non citizens. The virus does not discriminate, yet the rules (orders) do? If I travel outside of the country, I need to test negative and/or recover before I return. A person crossing the border illegally does not.

And it's been pointed out countless times in this thread that "super spreader" events of people gathering together are a big reason that this pandemic "rages" on. But the pictures of hundreds of detained refugees, many without masks or social distancing (literally laying on top of one another) being grouped together for days/weeks and then being released into the country without being tested for Covid doesn't seem to bother anybody.

Again, this isn't about politics or immigration. No need to report this post, (which I bet several of you already have) Just curious about the lack of concern here. Curious about how we prevent the virus from spreading on regards to this "super spreader " issue.
It's nice to see someone so concerned about the health and well-being of refugees.
 
It’s not proof for you because HIPAA, but.... last month I emergently intubated a 38 year old Ironman athlete in the ICU. He passed 2 weeks later. Young and healthy gives you good odds, but bad outcomes with covid still far outnumber bad outcomes with the vaccine

And I'm not saying it doesn't happen, you're speaking about an age group that is literally less than half a percent in deaths.

So far since the pandemic there have been 5683 deaths from 30 to 39 years old. That's a whopping 0.0014876963350785339% of the United States population.

I deal with facts not isolated occurrences. Those who I've seen with covid issues and who are hospitalized are morbidity obese, have heart conditions, lung conditions like COPD and cancer or are in their late 60s to 70s.

30-39 years5,683


Asymptomatic spread has been proven wrong in other countries but not here. Even cdc makes a statement then retracts it in their own statement. See below.

  • A growing body of evidence suggests that fully vaccinated people are less likely to have asymptomatic infection and potentially less likely to transmit SARS-CoV-2 to others. However, further investigation is ongoing.
 
I think it would be very difficult for the federal government to issue such a mandate and not have it struck down by the Supreme Court. Individual states would have a better chance of doing so successfully due to existing precedent, but not enough of them would be willing to do so to make a difference.

The federal government could do something like levy a special tax on anyone who doesn't get the vaccine -- that way a person wouldn't actually be forced to do so, but would suffer consequences for their choice -- but I don't think that's very likely to happen.

Levy a Tax on those who decided not to get a vaccine? Wasn't there a war about something similar over tea tax? I think the government is involving themselves a little too much in other people's lives. The overreach here is laughable.
 

havoc315

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We should see soon enough if the cases continue to trend down.

I'm confident they will trend down. I'm not confident we will reach true herd immunity and really get rid of this thing any time in the next 3-4 months.
There is a huge difference between the disease stabilizing at 20,000 cases and it falling below 10,000 cases... and continuing to decline to under 5,000 and under 1,000 cases.
 
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