Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[Chip Chipperson]

Levy a Tax on those who decided not to get a vaccine? Wasn't there a war about something similar over tea tax? I think the government is involving themselves a little too much in other people's lives. The overreach here is laughable.

Thankfully, the outcome of that war is that we've never had to pay a cent in taxes since then.

 

[disneygeek90]

Levy a Tax on those who decided not to get a vaccine? Wasn't there a war about something similar over tea tax? I think the government is involving themselves a little too much in other people's lives. The overreach here is laughable.

My company's healthcare has an additional tax if you are a smoker. Maybe we could see healthcare companies also tax if you don't choose to vaccinate? Definitely increases the insurance companies risk of needing to cover costs.

 

[ABQ]

My company's healthcare has an additional tax if you are a smoker. Maybe we could see healthcare companies also tax if you don't choose to vaccinate? Definitely increases the insurance companies risk of needing to cover costs.

Should my healthcare provider tax me more because I choose to mountain bike or ski? Where does it stop?

 

[GoofGoof]

I'm confident they will trend down. I'm not confident we will reach true herd immunity and really get rid of this thing any time in the next 3-4 months.
There is a huge difference between the disease stabilizing at 20,000 cases and it falling below 10,000 cases... and continuing to decline to under 5,000 and under 1,000 cases.

We shall see. I have more confidence in the vaccines and their prospects to help us return to normal, but that’s been true from the start.

If the cases don’t fall to an “acceptable level” in the next 3-4 months then there’s really no reason to assume they ever will. I have been opposed to the “plan” of just learning to live with the virus from day 1 but that was mostly based on an alternative of mitigations and holding the line until vaccines come out. If the vaccines don’t get the cases to a low enough level I think we actually have to consider just learning to live with the virus. Obviously a “doom‘s day“ scenario, but if it’s 20,000 cases a day but deaths drop under 100 due to a combination of more vulnerable people being vaccinated and better treatments then maybe the cases per day can be a little higher. That’s so far down the line and hard to predict at this point.

I don‘t think we can in any meaningful way predict what cases will be in August as we sit here today. We don’t know how many people will actually get the vaccines, how many people need to be vaccinated to reach herd immunity and what will change with mutations and with treatments. People need to continue mitigations and continue to get vaccinated as the vaccines become available. That‘s all we can do.

 

[Incomudro]

And I'm not saying it doesn't happen, you're speaking about an age group that is literally less than half a percent in deaths.

So far since the pandemic there have been 5683 deaths from 30 to 39 years old. That's a whopping 0.0014876963350785339% of the United States population.

I deal with facts not isolated occurrences. Those who I've seen with covid issues and who are hospitalized are morbidity obese, have heart conditions, lung conditions like COPD and cancer or are in their late 60s to 70s.

30-39 years

5,683

Asymptomatic spread has been proven wrong in other countries but not here. Even cdc makes a statement then retracts it in their own statement. See below.

• A growing body of evidence suggests that fully vaccinated people are less likely to have asymptomatic infection and potentially less likely to transmit SARS-CoV-2 to others. However, further investigation is ongoing.

Reminds me of when someone will point out that people who eat right and exercise sometimes have heart attacks, or get cancer.
Yes, some portion of them do but...

 

[LuvtheGoof]

I'm not a political person at all, but the politics of this virus and how each state is carrying it out based off of logic and facts vs fear and power is astonishing as well.

So a question not directly related, but you stated that you will not get the vaccine. Do you have any family members that you interact with that are older or may have other medical conditions? You do understand that you can easily be infected, not know it, but still pass it on to others, making them seriously ill with the virus? I guess if you never interact with any older relatives that it matters little to you, but almost all of us have an older relative that we want to see at some point, that we haven't been able to visit for over a year. Anyway, just curious.

 

[zurj]

Too many think they’re taking the vaccine to protect themselves, without understanding the purpose of community protection. In this regard, they were failed in the education system, and will fail their eventual children who get Polio or measles.

I don’t know what campaign could change that, but it needed to start a while ago. Either way, some of them will figure it out later when things open up and their demographic is the driving force of remaining cases and death. They’ll get vaccinated to protect themselves, but they’ll help us all.

The measles is a mild childhood virus. We as a society should quite pretending it isn't. In regards to polio, people have the assumption that if you contract poliovirus, you are going to an iron lung for the rest of your life. I encourage you and everyone reading to lookup the CDC statistics of severe reactions to polio, as I think everyone here will be surprised. And while you're at, look up the very first vaccine that all babies are given as soon as they are born, how they could have contracted the virus they are being innoculated against, how a healthy immune system combats said virus, and think about whether or not your new born infant infant really is at risk and needs to have the vaccine just because the doctor recommends it.

 

[Chi84]

So a question not directly related, but you stated that you will not get the vaccine. Do you have any family members that you interact with that are older or may have other medical conditions? You do understand that you can easily be infected, not know it, but still pass it on to others, making them seriously ill with the virus? I guess if you never interact with any older relatives that it matters little to you, but almost all of us have an older relative that we want to see at some point, that we haven't been able to visit for over a year. Anyway, just curious.

The problem is we spent so much effort telling young people to follow mitigation measures to protect their elderly grandparents, they think it's not necessary now that their grandparents are vaccinated. This country has muddled the message about COVID from the start and it doesn't seem to be getting any better.

 

[disneygeek90]

Should my healthcare provider tax me more because I choose to mountain bike or ski? Where does it stop?

42 skiing deaths during the 2018/2019 season. Care to remind me how many covid deaths we are at right now?

 

[UNCgolf]

Levy a Tax on those who decided not to get a vaccine? Wasn't there a war about something similar over tea tax? I think the government is involving themselves a little too much in other people's lives. The overreach here is laughable.

I don't think you understood what I was saying.

I'm saying the federal government has the legal authority to do that (it's exactly what they did with Obamacare); they probably don't have the legal authority to force everyone to take a vaccine (even though state governments may). I wasn't offering an opinion as to whether or not I personally believe they should do that.

I also said I can't imagine they actually will.

 

[UNCgolf]

The measles is a mild childhood virus. We as a society should quite pretending it isn't. In regards to polio, people have the assumption that if you contract poliovirus, you are going to an iron lung for the rest of your life. I encourage you and everyone reading to lookup the CDC statistics of severe reactions to polio, as I think everyone here will be surprised. And while you're at, look up the very first vaccine that all babies are given as soon as they are born, how they could have contracted the virus they are being innoculated against, how a healthy immune system combats said virus, and think about whether or not your new born infant infant really is at risk and needs to have the vaccine just because the doctor recommends it.

You don't understand how vaccines work.

Babies need those vaccines because of herd immunity. Of course not everyone who got polio had severe disease, but by vaccinating everyone, no one has to get it and even run the risk of that severe disease. If you stop vaccinating, people will catch it again and people will have severe disease. There's no reason to risk that when you can just get a harmless vaccine to prevent it.

Also, you're wrong about measles. 2.6 million people died from measles in 1980, just 40 years ago. In 2014, that number was down to 73,000 because of widespread vaccinations.

 

[mmascari]

We shall see. I have more confidence in the vaccines and their prospects to help us return to normal, but that’s been true from the start.

Ever the optimist. We all hope you're right. (It's people, not the vaccine that I don't trust)

If the cases don’t fall to an “acceptable level” in the next 3-4 months then there’s really no reason to assume they ever will. I have been opposed to the “plan” of just learning to live with the virus from day 1 but that was mostly based on an alternative of mitigations and holding the line until vaccines come out. If the vaccines don’t get the cases to a low enough level I think we actually have to consider just learning to live with the virus. Obviously a “doom‘s day“ scenario, but if it’s 20,000 cases a day but deaths drop under 100 due to a combination of more vulnerable people being vaccinated and better treatments then maybe the cases per day can be a little higher. That’s so far down the line and hard to predict at this point.

Welcome to my dystopian nightmare of a prediction. Solely based on peoples actions, not any underlying possibility. The future some seem to want while also professing that it's no big deal.

Now, please go back to your optimistic take. We're all doomed if you lose hope too. Someone has to give us hope.

 

[JD80]

Someone not getting the vaccine is baffling to me.

I suspect trolling is the montivation.

 

[HarperRose]

The measles is a mild childhood virus. We as a society should quite pretending it isn't. In regards to polio, people have the assumption that if you contract poliovirus, you are going to an iron lung for the rest of your life. I encourage you and everyone reading to lookup the CDC statistics of severe reactions to polio, as I think everyone here will be surprised. And while you're at, look up the very first vaccine that all babies are given as soon as they are born, how they could have contracted the virus they are being innoculated against, how a healthy immune system combats said virus, and think about whether or not your new born infant infant really is at risk and needs to have the vaccine just because the doctor recommends it.

Oh, the short memory of some people.

I'm beyond done with the ignorance and flat-out stupidity. Take your anti-vaxx bullcrap somewhere else.

 

[disneygeek90]

You don't understand how vaccines work.

Babies need those vaccines because of herd immunity. Of course not everyone who got polio had severe disease, but by vaccinating everyone, no one has to get it and even run the risk of that severe disease. If you stop vaccinating, people will catch it again and people will have severe disease. There's no reason to risk that when you can just get a harmless vaccine to prevent it.

Also, you're wrong about measles. 2.6 million people died from measles in 1980, just 40 years ago.

The point that "not all cases are severe" is so weird. Anti Covid Vaxxers included. Why not just vaccinate and then no one will have any cases, severe or not.

 

[Parker in NYC]

Someone not getting the vaccine is baffling to me.

I suspect trolling is the montivation.

Or, they think they'll stand tall while everyone else dies from the vaccines. But I'd say it's mostly conviction for the sake of having no real purpose in life. Oh, I'm raring to go today!

 

[DCBaker]

 

[sullyinMT]

The measles is a mild childhood virus. We as a society should quite pretending it isn't. In regards to polio, people have the assumption that if you contract poliovirus, you are going to an iron lung for the rest of your life. I encourage you and everyone reading to lookup the CDC statistics of severe reactions to polio, as I think everyone here will be surprised. And while you're at, look up the very first vaccine that all babies are given as soon as they are born, how they could have contracted the virus they are being innoculated against, how a healthy immune system combats said virus, and think about whether or not your new born infant infant really is at risk and needs to have the vaccine just because the doctor recommends it.

Cool. By vaccinating those healthy enough to be vaccinated (as in, almost everyone), we protect our most vulnerable. You know, the ones who might end up on the most extreme treatments for any communicable, vaccine vulnerable, disease. So, if my HPV inoculated sons interact in an otherwise unsafe manner with an unvaccinated female, her chances of cervical cancer from their encounter have now been greatly diminished. Now, I realize that the chances of HPV leading all the way to the extreme are rare, but 70% of all cervical cancers can be traced to HPV. Not all polio infections lead to "the iron lung," in quotes as it's obsolete in treatment, but all of those severe infections can be traced to, well, the infectious agent (polio, in this case). We also can't pretend that those outside of adolescence aren't at risk of severe complications from measles. That aside, so what if it's a "childhood disease?" I'm glad my children are personally protected and, as a result, playing in the protection of that small number truly unable to be vaccinated.

Anyway, all of this is talking in circles. I prefer the conversation of earlier today.

I'll gladly take my "coke" (not soda OR pop) of choice, a Dr Pepper, with Dominican ron añejo. Just after dinner, where I've gone through a few roundabouts to pick it up.

The strangest regional colloquium I've heard was from a North Dakota transplant to our neighborhood: duck, duck gray duck. So long as my kids and their kids always play duck, duck, goose, I'm forever grateful. They can even drink from the bubbler at school if they must.

 

[HarperRose]

Someone not getting the vaccine is baffling to me.

I suspect trolling is the montivation.

Oh, trolls for sure.

 

[Patcheslee]

My company's healthcare has an additional tax if you are a smoker. Maybe we could see healthcare companies also tax if you don't choose to vaccinate? Definitely increases the insurance companies risk of needing to cover costs.

Mine give a health insurance discount if people complete certain things yearly. Health assessment and health coaching for weight "management" (i.e maintain or lose) or pregnancy. I don't qualify because they don't have management to gain weight. People that do get a $600/year discount on their premiums. Smokers can't get over 4x their yearly salary for life insurance without a physical, and premiums are 10% higher.