Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[BlindChow]

My opinion only...who cares if they lie to stop wearing a mask. Once EVERYONE has access and time to be fully vaccinated, those left have made the choice to build antibodies through contraction, and they will, just like the flu. You will eventually be exposed.. if not this year then somewhere down the road. Thats up to them but the vaccinated will be largely safe from severe issues. If they lie and get sick it's their choice. I decided that I had a better shot at surviving the vaccine.

Others have already pointed out the risks inherent in having a large unvaccinated population, which is why it's important that people are actually vaccinated and not just claiming to be.

The person I was responding to suggested a "Get a vaccine and you can stop wearing masks" campaign as a way to reduce said vaccine hesitancy.

If people can just lie and get the same result, then that plan would be a pointless (and potentially dangerous) failure.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Others have already pointed out the risks inherent in having a large unvaccinated population, which is why it's important that people are actually vaccinated and not just claiming to be.

The person I was responding to suggested a "Get a vaccine and you can stop wearing masks" campaign as a way to reduce said vaccine hesitancy.

If people can just lie and get the same result, then that plan would be a pointless (and potentially dangerous) failure.

“natural defense” sounds great...until a strain that is more aggressive pops up.

that’s why this is stupid...you don’t take that chance.

you use what you have to take the best odds possible.

the fact this is even discussed is ridiculous.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

On that note, tomorrow is the "deadline" that Biden most recently set for all states to have vaccine eligibility opened to everyone. Do we know if that is going to be met?

I believe so. I haven’t been watching every state, but the states around me are either open or opening! (I hope to get my first shot this week!)

 

[LittleBuford]

I wonder what happened a couple of weeks ago to cause the downhill slide.

I can't tell if this is rhetorical or not. If you're alluding to something, could you be explicit?

 

[Hollywood704]

Gen Xer's have Millenials as kids, too.

@HarperRose This isn't specifically towards you, just the millennial topic others have mentioned

I'm a millennial (33), not getting vaccinated neither are my kids and my wife decided against it too. We are in great shape and have zero health concerns. We are outside everyday and don't have a vitamin D deficiency. We understand how good health can keep us from getting sick and even spreading any type of virus.

The vaccine is not going to save anybody from getting the virus or even spreading it. It lessens the affect it has on you. That being said we think it's cool if people do or don't get a vaccine. We could care less. We would rather see people take better care of themselves physically. I think if you look at the numbers you could look at underlying conditions and find motivation to eat a little better, run ane lift some weights.

A vaccine is not the cure all for this virus.

 

[LittleBuford]

I wonder what happened a couple of weeks ago to cause the downhill slide.

Oh, I think I’ve worked out what you’re referring to. Nope. The slide is happening among longtime contributors to this thread, not because of any recent closures elsewhere on the site.

 

[GaBoy]

you use what you have to take the best odds possible.

the fact this is even discussed is ridiculous.

And to that point 100% agree. I guess I had this idealized notion that the nation would be clamoring for the vaccine, all of us. I was. Got my first shot on day one of eligibility. We would be lined up, waiting to do our part. There would not be such silly notions as I hear batted around. I shake my head.

 

[WondersOfLife]

We can agree to disagree. I don't think the age you are talking about is better. They are trying to teach kids how to be better and discerning of facts, but that's newer from what I've seen among friends (40s here so range of kids we talk about) My 13yo is being taught in life skills and language arts. My friends kids in late HS to college were not.

Guess who is teaching these kids too? Adults. So that's why I don't think one is better than another. I've seen stupidity at all levels. Personalities have more to do with fact hunting than age. I've seen on this forum and across friends chatting how late HS kids to college are just as likely to believe drivel about vaccines as their parents ages. I don't feel I have the right to share personal stories but there are many out there who believe incorrect info and do not care to find right.

I wasn't disagreeing with you. I was adding on, with the college bit. Basically, as you've said, it really just depends how smart people are in general.

 

[DisneyDebRob]

Many recent posts in this thread have expressed indifference at the prospect of large numbers of people remaining unvaccinated, taking the position that it’s their problem and that those of us who’ve received our shots can just go about our lives unaffected. As I understand things, however, the more scope the virus has to continue circulating, the likelier it is that vaccine-resistant variants will emerge. This is why it’s short-sighted to downplay the seriousness of vaccine hesitancy, which ultimately threatens us all.

This thread used to be grounded (with conspicuous exceptions) in the scientific consensus. That seems to have changed in recent weeks, which has been disappointing to see.

I was thinking the same exact thing the last few days and could not have put it better in a post. It’s almost like most here, with a few exceptions, were basing everything off of the science. Now it seems that vaccines are getting done the science, that says to still watch it because of variants and etc. went out the window. Now it’s I’m vaccinated, no longer need anything.
I get we are all sick of this but we are close, so close. Let’s try and keep at it.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

@HarperRose This isn't specifically towards you, just the millennial topic others have mentioned

I'm a millennial (33), not getting vaccinated neither are my kids and my wife decided against it too. We are in great shape and have zero health concerns. We are outside everyday and don't have a vitamin D deficiency. We understand how good health can keep us from getting sick and even spreading any type of virus.

The vaccine is not going to save anybody from getting the virus or even spreading it. It lessens the affect it has on you. That being said we think it's cool if people do or don't get a vaccine. We could care less. We would rather see people take better care of themselves physically. I think if you look at the numbers you could look at underlying conditions and find motivation to eat a little better, run ane lift some weights.

A vaccine is not the cure all for this virus.

Your "good health" has nothing to do with how well your body fights off COVID or responds to it. Perfectly healthy, very fit people have died after being infected - who had no underlying, undiscovered medical conditions.

We need as many people who are medically able to get the vaccine to be vaccinated in order to put the pandemic behind us. By not vaccinating, you're increasing the likelihood that the virus will mutate and that the vaccines will no longer be effective.

 

[zurj]

Your "good health" has nothing to do with how well your body fights off COVID or responds to it. Perfectly healthy, very fit people have died after being infected - who had no underlying, undiscovered medical conditions.

We need as many people who are medically able to get the vaccine to be vaccinated in order to put the pandemic behind us. By not vaccinating, you're increasing the likelihood that the virus will mutate and that the vaccines will no longer be effective.

This may be the most silliest thing I have read about covid. To suggest that your good health is unrelated to your body's response to coronavirus is either over the top disingenuous, or completely ignorant. Please, take a moment to research what you just said.

 

[fgmnt]

@HarperRose This isn't specifically towards you, just the millennial topic others have mentioned

I'm a millennial (33), not getting vaccinated neither are my kids and my wife decided against it too. We are in great shape and have zero health concerns. We are outside everyday and don't have a vitamin D deficiency. We understand how good health can keep us from getting sick and even spreading any type of virus.

The vaccine is not going to save anybody from getting the virus or even spreading it. It lessens the affect it has on you. That being said we think it's cool if people do or don't get a vaccine. We could care less. We would rather see people take better care of themselves physically. I think if you look at the numbers you could look at underlying conditions and find motivation to eat a little better, run ane lift some weights.

A vaccine is not the cure all for this virus.

While most of this post is generally insane, I might as well point out something that you can learn in high school biology: vaccines are not cures, they're preventative measures.

 

[Jrb1979]

To touch on the younger generation subject a bit. Since Covid I have seen more younger people believe in this Great Reset rhetoric then any other age group. Many also are against being vaccinated.

Seeing in quite a few places in US and Canada not getting vaccinated and the amount of appointments available is concerning. I think the only way around it is a vaccine passport.

 

[Figgy1]

This may be the most silliest thing I have read about covid. To suggest that your good health is unrelated to your body's response to coronavirus is either over the top disingenuous, or completely ignorant. Please, take a moment to research what you just said.

A few of the people I knew who died had no medical conditions and were quite healthy worked out the whole 9. This guy didn't have any underlying medical conditions either https://www.npr.org/sections/corona...son-actor-nick-cordero-dies-of-covid-19-at-41

 

[ImperfectPixie]

This may be the most silliest thing I have read about covid. To suggest that your good health is unrelated to your body's response to coronavirus is either over the top disingenuous, or completely ignorant. Please, take a moment to research what you just said.

I have, thanks.

 

[Kevin_W]

The vaccine is not going to save anybody from getting the virus or even spreading it. It lessens the affect it has on you. That being said we think it's cool if people do or don't get a vaccine. We could care less. We would rather see people take better care of themselves physically. I think if you look at the numbers you could look at underlying conditions and find motivation to eat a little better, run ane lift some weights.

As the risk of just feeding a troll (8 posts, joined the forum 3 weeks ago), that's not true at all. The vaccine will save millions of people both from getting the virus and from spreading it. That's the point of the vaccine, borne out in clinical trials and in the world-wide rollout so far.

 

[hopemax]

Your "good health" has nothing to do with how well your body fights off COVID or responds to it. Perfectly healthy, very fit people have died after being infected - who had no underlying, undiscovered medical conditions.

We need as many people who are medically able to get the vaccine to be vaccinated in order to put the pandemic behind us. By not vaccinating, you're increasing the likelihood that the virus will mutate and that the vaccines will no longer be effective.

Basketball player Jason Tatum, a few days ago said that post-COVID in January, he now has to use an inhaler. Healthy people, perhaps are not aware of the high costs that come with needing an inhaler. My Grandma and Mom used to complain about it, but I didn't pay attention. Our cat needs Flovent, which we order from Canada because 2 inhalers only costs $90 instead of $265 for 1 inhaler from Costco. It's the same medication as for humans, so it costs the same.

But we are too soon to be able to comprehend the long term costs of natural COVID-19 infection. We do know that the incident rates among people under 40 who experienced only minor illness are significantly higher than the incident rates of death. But we don't know what the recovery rates are in 6 months, 1 year, 3 years, whatever. We don't know what medications people might require long term. Not because they have an immediate risk of death, but from whatever respiratory or vascular conditions are affecting the quality of their daily life. Personally, I can think of a lot better ways to spend $265 per month than on drugs I wouldn't even need if I just didn't sick in the first place. But like young smokers, who really thinks about how much money you'll be spending on your health care costs when you are 40 or 60 due to the consequences of a decision you made in your teens or 20s? I am positive that there will be people who won't take a FREE shot because they are "young & healthy" that will end up spending thousands of dollars a year on medications for the rest of their life. But without a way to quantify it, you're just talking to the wind.

 

[Tom P.]

If there is any one piece of misinformation I wish we could make go away, it's the idea that the vaccine only helps prevent symptoms, but doesn't actually stop you from becoming infected or spreading the infection to others. That is false.

That belief was based on nothing more than early speculation from those public health officials who were trying to be extremely conservative in what they said. And even then, they said "we don't know" rather than making definitive statements.

There have now been at least three major studies (the CDC, the Mayo Clinic, and a study in Israel) and all have shown the same thing -- the vaccine actually prevents infection and, therefore, prevents spreading the virus to others. No, the protection is not 100%. Nothing ever is. But it's as close as you can possibly expect to get.

 

[GoofGoof]

I was thinking the same exact thing the last few days and could not have put it better in a post. It’s almost like most here, with a few exceptions, were basing everything off of the science. Now it seems that vaccines are getting done the science, that says to still watch it because of variants and etc. went out the window. Now it’s I’m vaccinated, no longer need anything.
I get we are all sick of this but we are close, so close. Let’s try and keep at it.

I’m not sure I see a whole lot of people here saying we should remove all restrictions right now, at least not anyone who hasn’t been saying that since the start. We have to keep restrictions now until cases actually drop. The vaccines should drive that, but we need to get them done first before restrictions can be removed.

I think there’s a big difference between talking about a future end state where restrictions are lifted and suggesting that all restrictions should be lifted now. At some point Covid restrictions should and will be relaxed. We cannot keep living this way indefinitely just in case a new variant might come along or because cases haven’t gone all the way to zero. I base my opinions on the science. The science is showing me that vaccines are very effective and will drive cases down. Once enough people get vaccinated we can and will start to relax restrictions and start returning to normal. Numerous studies have shown that vaccinated people are very unlikely to get Infected or spread covid 2 weeks past their second shot. The only thing that can stop our progress is vaccine hesitancy but I still think we can get to 70%+ of eligible people vaccinated which should be enough.

It may seem selfish or self serving to say, but if 70%+ of the eligible people get vaccinated I see no good reason why they should continue to restrict their activities indefinitely because the other 30% won’t get the vaccine. We will never get to 100% vaccinated so we have to live with a percent of people unvaccinated. The largest risk is to the unvaccinated. Breakthrough infection is pretty rare and if we get to 70%+ vaccinated will be even more rare as less community spread will be around. Eventually the 30% not vaccinated will either get the shot or become naturally immune.

On the variant front, I think we should react to the situation as it occurs. We can’t assume a variant that is resistant to the vaccines is coming and keep restrictions because of it. If a dooms day variant emerges then we adjust. We can always go back to temporary restrictions until a new vaccine can be developed and distributed. In an ideal world we get cases to near zero and we don’t have to worry about future spread, but no realistic level of mitigations is going to get us there. We have proven over the past year+ that people won’t follow strict restrictions. Sad but true. So it’s vaccine or bust for getting us out of this. So far the vaccine rollout is going strong.

 

[LittleBuford]

I am positive that there will be people who won't take a FREE shot because they are "young & healthy" that will end up spending thousands of dollars a year on medications for the rest of their life.

This is what I find so baffling. They are “brave” enough to risk the virus yet can’t bring themselves to take a free, safe, and highly effective vaccine. It makes no sense to me.