Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

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danlb_2000

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the fact that we don’t know everything?

Things seem to change in some way every month and it’s not just because of variants or science which shouldn’t change at all

What things are you referring to? Our understanding of the virus has changed constantly from the very beginning of the pandemic. Scientists are constantly doing new studies to on the virus and they all contribute to our understanding of virus and how we deal with it.
 
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correcaminos

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I'd have to fly to Orlando or Atlanta to fly to PR lol
I would too or NY. Tampa too I believe has non stop to SJU - or at least they did pre-pandemic. I'd be better off visiting family in Tampa first then flying down there. Though that could cost more. I haven't checked lately tbh.

the fact that we don’t know everything?

Things seem to change in some way every month and it’s not just because of variants or science which shouldn’t change at all
Yes, our knowledge can change, but you seemed to imply something with the vaccines that we were missing. I did ask what you meant by that and am now very curious. Or were you not talking about vaccines?
 

DisneyCane

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Thanks. When you compare the graphs side by side you can definitely see the difference.
That's why I like charts. It's much easier to visualize patterns.

On the newer chart, it isn't as pronounced but you can definitely see a relative decrease in cases for the late 40s through 65. This makes sense since 50+ was vaccine eligible after 65+ followed by 40+. As of yesterday, over 50% of 55-64 had at least one dose.
 

DisneyCane

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It seems younger people are being hospitalized more overall with the new variants and those variants are driving the cases up in most of those states. This may actually be a good thing long term for vaccine hesitancy. If we can expose as false the narrative that young and healthy people face no risk from Covid that may mean more get the vaccine. I don’t want to see more people hospitalized and seriously ill, but the silver lining is it may help encourage others to be vaccinated.

The headline and article are written in a way that makes it seem like the new variants (specifically UK) are making younger people sicker than the original or that it has a higher fatality rate. If you read carefully it basically confirms what was expected. The variant is more contagious so more people (as a raw number) who are unvaccinated will get infected given equivalent mitigation. This will lead to more hospitalizations among young people (and potentially more deaths) but neither is at a higher rate per infection.
 

DCBaker

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Numbers are out - there were 44 new reported deaths, along with 1 Non-Florida Resident death.

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GoofGoof

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The headline and article are written in a way that makes it seem like the new variants (specifically UK) are making younger people sicker than the original or that it has a higher fatality rate. If you read carefully it basically confirms what was expected. The variant is more contagious so more people (as a raw number) who are unvaccinated will get infected given equivalent mitigation. This will lead to more hospitalizations among young people (and potentially more deaths) but neither is at a higher rate per infection.
But you know as well as I do that the going narrative is Covid is no big deal for anyone who is young and healthy. The fact that young and healthy people are ending up in the hospital is proof that’s simply not true and never was. The focus for months before vaccines was deaths. Young and healthy are not dying so Covid is no risk. Silly, but that’s the way a lot of people think. Now that the old and “unhealthy” are vaccinated at a high level and out of the mix for hospitalization the percent of young people hospitalized is going way up. Overall hospitalizations are still down, but the point is that some additional focus, like the attached article, will shed light on the fact that people who are young and healthy can and are still ending up in the hospital.

I also think the focus should shift to why that’s a bad outcome. Some people still say, “yeah they are getting hospitalized but they still aren’t dying in large numbers”. While that is true there are other negative outcomes from getting severe Covid and dying. You could have long term medical issues from lung damage or blood clots, you will likely be out of work for even longer than standard quarantine and either burn through paid time off or go without pay depending on your job, unless you have great health insurance you are getting slapped with a medical bill for at least a co-pay and even an 80/20 split where you pay 20% you could still face $10K plus in bills.
 

mmascari

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The headline and article are written in a way that makes it seem like the new variants (specifically UK) are making younger people sicker than the original or that it has a higher fatality rate. If you read carefully it basically confirms what was expected. The variant is more contagious so more people (as a raw number) who are unvaccinated will get infected given equivalent mitigation. This will lead to more hospitalizations among young people (and potentially more deaths) but neither is at a higher rate per infection.
Once you're infected, that's a good distinction to understand. Since you're no worse off than had you been infected before with an earlier version. Not great, but also not worse.

But, before you're infected, does the distinction matter?

Someone walking around thinking, "am I taking the correct mitigation steps?", isn't going to care that the impact of being infected is the same. To them, the comparison is between "not infected and no impact" and "infected and dealing with the impact". That it's more infectious means there is a higher chance of having to deal with impacts at all.

Likewise, someone deciding if they should get vaccinated is mostly concerned with the combination. Unless they're assuming the impact is trivial, so a higher chance of infection wouldn't matter.

Both the graph's you shared, showed the highest case counts in the 30-35 age range too I think. Groups we really need more vaccine uptake with, excused for only more recent availability.
 

Parker in NYC

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Well, to be fair, I do think you are oversimplifying and making a bigger deal out of this than you should. I have been very good at everything since day 1, but the outdoor mask relaxing is not 'giving an inch and there goes the neighborhood' idea to me at all. Why? Because I've seen it in action and in my own back yard. It's not that big of a deal to be upset with a theme park stating this. JMO though.
Now, where have I heard that before...
 

Parker in NYC

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Not being mean as I deal with anxiety badly, but yes heavy dose. Number of cases are dropping even including the newer clinical diagnosis they are allowing. Truly for most people coronavirus isn't a concern anyway. Different strands, but it causes up to 30% of all colds out there. My son and husband had a strand last year which probably allows me to be more relaxed. I didn't get it from either.

We fear new and our news has been reporting in more sensationalized ways. My friends in medical fields have said as much too (and some live where there have been confirmed cases). Right now the flu is still a bigger worry by far to them. It is IF not when for coronavirus.
Ah, yes, there it is! Trust me, I will continue to as you say "oversimplify and make a bigger deal out of this than you should" because of comments like these.
 

Parker in NYC

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You could have long term medical issues from lung damage or blood clots, you will likely be out of work for even longer than standard quarantine and either burn through paid time off or go without pay depending on your job, unless you have great health insurance you are getting slapped with a medical bill for at least a co-pay and even an 80/20 split where you pay 20% you could still face $10K plus in bills.
Because people with health insurance don't care. They know that it's a risk they can take.
 

danlb_2000

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But you know as well as I do that the going narrative is Covid is no big deal for anyone who is young and healthy. The fact that young and healthy people are ending up in the hospital is proof that’s simply not true and never was. The focus for months before vaccines was deaths. Young and healthy are not dying so Covid is no risk. Silly, but that’s the way a lot of people think. Now that the old and “unhealthy” are vaccinated at a high level and out of the mix for hospitalization the percent of young people hospitalized is going way up. Overall hospitalizations are still down, but the point is that some additional focus, like the attached article, will shed light on the fact that people who are young and healthy can and are still ending up in the hospital.

I also think the focus should shift to why that’s a bad outcome. Some people still say, “yeah they are getting hospitalized but they still aren’t dying in large numbers”. While that is true there are other negative outcomes from getting severe Covid and dying. You could have long term medical issues from lung damage or blood clots, you will likely be out of work for even longer than standard quarantine and either burn through paid time off or go without pay depending on your job, unless you have great health insurance you are getting slapped with a medical bill for at least a co-pay and even an 80/20 split where you pay 20% you could still face $10K plus in bills.

Preventing people from dying from COVID has always been the biggest concern, but after that, getting hospitalized with it should only be of slightly less concern. Besides the personal impacts you mention, there is also the problem of COVID cases diverting resources away from patients who are in the hospital for other reasons.
 

ABQ

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But you know as well as I do that the going narrative is Covid is no big deal for anyone who is young and healthy. The fact that young and healthy people are ending up in the hospital is proof that’s simply not true and never was. The focus for months before vaccines was deaths. Young and healthy are not dying so Covid is no risk. ....
Well, we know they are young, but we don't know they were otherwise healthy before being hospitalized for Covid. Certainly, it can't be assumed that they were all dealing with a chronic ailment, but it is likely that many of them who end up admitted to a hospital could be dealing with one of a number of ailments that have been identified as contributing to a severe case vs a mild case.
 

GoofGoof

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Well, we know they are young, but we don't know they were otherwise healthy before being hospitalized for Covid. Certainly, it can't be assumed that they were all dealing with a chronic ailment, but it is likely that many of them who end up admitted to a hospital could be dealing with one of a number of ailments that have been identified as contributing to a severe case vs a mild case.
Statistically speaking when you are seeing 1/3 of the people hospitalized or more under 40 the chances they are all unhealthy with severe chronic health conditions isn’t very high.
 

Parker in NYC

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Most people with health insurance still have a co-pay. If you have a high deductible plan you are going to hit the annual cap with 1 night stay. If you have straight 80/20 or 70/30 for hospitalization where you pay 20 to 30% you may be getting a bill over $10K.
But they don't know that. A lot of people ignorantly think health insurance absolves them.
 
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