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Yes, the fully vaccinated have at least one dose, so are represented in both columns.
GoofGoof
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Good for him. More leaders need to stand up and say this. I’ve been critical of some of his actions related to Covid but I give credit where credit is due.JUST IN: Gov. Ron DeSantis said Tuesday the state will heed the federal government’s recommendation to pause the use of the Johnson & Johnson coronavirus vaccine, but he added any risk appeared minimal and urged Floridians to get the one-dose shot if and when it becomes available again.
DeSantis agrees to pause Johnson & Johnson vaccine in Florida but calls risk minimal
Gov. Ron DeSantis said Tuesday the state will heed the federal government’s recommendation to pause the use of the Johnson & Johnson coronavirus vaccine, but he added any risk appeared mi…www.orlandosentinel.com
This whole JnJ thing is just part of the process. It’s unfortunate, but does show the process works and safety is a priority. The timing for JnJ isn’t bad considering they are just getting over the manufacturing hiccup. This gives them a little time to get the plant ready to roll. I imagine no more than a week or 2 delay from this. There will be some people who won’t get the JnJ shot now, but many millions more will. 6 out of 6M+ shots....I wonder how many people got blood clots from Covid infections, it’s a known long haul symptom particularly in young people. Even of the clots are related to the vaccine it’s a 1 in a million side effect. If every single American got that vaccine that would mean 331 people with blood clots. That many people are still dying every 12 hours from covid.
Yes, you are incorrect. 120 million have received AT LEAST one dose -- So that includes the people who received 2 doses.
The 120 million INCLUDES the 74 million who are fully vaccinated.
The US has administered 189 million vaccines --- The 74 million who have been fully vaccinated = about 143 million (a few got JNJ 1-shot).... and about 46 million additional who have gotten their first jab so far (143+46=189)
Chip Chipperson
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I had spaghetti Saturday night! How long before I'm out of the woods? Also, it was gluten-free Barilla, in case that matters.
Yup, Desantis is right this time. And this has to be the consistent message --- We have every reason to believe that the risk of JNJ is miniscule, that it's a safe vaccine, let the FDA/CDC take a look out of "abundance of caution" but we should continue to expect it to be safe.
HarperRose
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Statistically speaking, that number is zero (6 people out of almost 7 million). It's insignificant and the vaccine should not have been halted.
GoofGoof
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We need an additional 45M people to get shot #1 to reach 50% of the population. Assuming a 2 to 1 split between shot 1 and shot 2 if we do 3M shots a day that’s 2M additional shot 1’s a day. Right around May 5 we would hit 50%+ with at least 1 shot. This pace could easily continue and even improve without JnJ as we are now getting 4M Pfizer and Moderna shots a day delivered. We will get JnJ back soon as well.
The better metric to follow is 46.5% of adults started. Again at a pace of 2M new shot 1s a day we will reach 50% of adults started by this weekend or early next week. By mid-May we will still hit 70%+ of adults. Not sure we get much higher than that nationally. Long and short is that the JnJ situation won‘t cause major issues on timing. We may be delayed a few weeks at most. It has a larger impact on hesitancy.
The better metric to follow is 46.5% of adults started. Again at a pace of 2M new shot 1s a day we will reach 50% of adults started by this weekend or early next week. By mid-May we will still hit 70%+ of adults. Not sure we get much higher than that nationally. Long and short is that the JnJ situation won‘t cause major issues on timing. We may be delayed a few weeks at most. It has a larger impact on hesitancy.
I don't see why men should delay taking the Johnson and Johnson vaccine. The proper steps the government should do is allocate more supply of Pfizer and Moderna vaccine to women. The blood clots were less than 1 in a million and only 1 person died. It should not be ignored but Covid19 took 476 lives yesterday and that one day is 1.44 lives per million a day while 1 person died out of over 7 million Johnson and Johnson shots. Your chances of death are much worse from Covid19 than taking the Johnson and Johnson vaccine. I feel horrible that anyone dies from these blood clots but the odds are more people will die from Covid19 because of this delay that would have died from blood clots.
DisneyFan32
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Are we still gonna go back to normal soon maybe July if herd immunity may go faster or sooner by July or August?
JoeCamel
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Maybe.....
Kevin_W
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I had spaghetti Saturday night! How long before I'm out of the woods? Also, it was gluten-free Barilla, in case that matters.
I had spaghetti a week ago with no ill effects. So based on my anecdotal data, you are fine! (Though mine was black bean spaghetti, which my daughter would tell you doesn't really count as spaghetti.)
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sullyinMT
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I agree that a literal 1:1,000,000 chance (right now) is insignificant (who wouldn't, really). However, if the news outlets would have run with deaths and ill effects while the FDA and CDC sit idly by and do "nothing," it would have been orders of magnitude worse for hesitancy issues. The fodder, ill-conceived or not, would have been there for the tinfoil hat crowd.
We have such a short attention span, collectively, that a couple weeks' pause isn't going to do much long term. I'm glad these steps were taken. It allows the message to really get out there that our safety really is at the forefront, before profits and self-aggrandizing behavior. Warranted or not, a change in recommended age groups, gender, or both, for receipt of the JnJ vaccine is the likely outcome here.
Our hesitancy fears may be a little unfounded, as well. After a bumpy start and pauses galore with AZ, the EU is finally getting on track with their vaccination program, illustrating that the public may soon forget if the cases and deaths from COVID continue at their currently high clip.
We have such a short attention span, collectively, that a couple weeks' pause isn't going to do much long term. I'm glad these steps were taken. It allows the message to really get out there that our safety really is at the forefront, before profits and self-aggrandizing behavior. Warranted or not, a change in recommended age groups, gender, or both, for receipt of the JnJ vaccine is the likely outcome here.
Our hesitancy fears may be a little unfounded, as well. After a bumpy start and pauses galore with AZ, the EU is finally getting on track with their vaccination program, illustrating that the public may soon forget if the cases and deaths from COVID continue at their currently high clip.
Patcheslee
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The type of clot they are referencing apparently happens to 5 in 1 million people per year already. Women make up a 3:1 ratio for these types.
Tom P.
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Folks, take a moment to just step back from all the frantic news and think about where we are.
We have over 74 million people in the United States fully vaccinated. 74 million. In basically one year we went from discovering a brand new disease to developing and testing a vaccine to having 74 million people fully vaccinated. That is absolutely amazing and literally unprecedented in human history.
We should be feeling more positive about that than we are.
We have over 74 million people in the United States fully vaccinated. 74 million. In basically one year we went from discovering a brand new disease to developing and testing a vaccine to having 74 million people fully vaccinated. That is absolutely amazing and literally unprecedented in human history.
We should be feeling more positive about that than we are.
GoofGoof
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Don’t forget that JnJ also had a pause during the trials (unrelated to blood clots) and still 7M people in the US took the vaccine. I am more confident than ever in the vaccines being safe. This shows that the FDA, CDC and manufacturers are being overly cautious and investigating each and every potential problem even if they are literally 1 in a million. The people who claim they won’t get the vaccine now because of this were never going to get it anyway. They were just looking for a good excuse. The vast majority of people will trust this vaccine again once it’s investigated and they show the clots had nothing to do with the vaccine.
Jrb1979
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It happens when it happens.
MrHappy
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JnJ will be back as soon as the press release get written and legally approved.
oceanbreeze77
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The JNJ will continue shortly, but the conspiracy theories will NEVER stop about this.
Even right now, people are speculating "ohh they must know something else is wrong with it"
Even right now, people are speculating "ohh they must know something else is wrong with it"
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