Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[Chi84]

I get my second Pfizer shot in about 4 hrs. Last 3 people I’ve heard that got it had the same reaction as you. One worse. Hoping I’m the lucky one. As Buford said, stay in bed.

You never know. My husband and mother-in-law both had nothing other than a sore arm after the second Pfizer. My son-in-law had chills.

 

[DisneyFan32]

The CDC recommends to pause the J&J vaccine over a incident rate of 6 out of 6.8M (0.00008823529%) for clotting.

Some counties have in a form suspended the AstraZeneca one due with a known incident rate of 222 out of 34M (0.00065294117) for clotting.

Wouldn’t shock me if they just age limit J&J which sadly will cause outrage because people can’t be bothered to take 45 minutes to get a second shot because they think one it’s done.

Final thought: As per https://www.sciencemag.org/news/202...ca-vaccine-and-rare-clotting-disorder-becomes they note ‘more than 30 deaths’ amongst the 222 cases. Since we don’t have an exact number, let’s use thirty. That’s a fatality rate of 1 in 7.4 cases. Right now for the US, it’s 1 in 6. It’s an early investigation that is going to have to be done no matter what.

Will JNJ will resume vaccines after blood clot problem issue is fixed by end of month or early next month so we can still reach herd immunity soon?

 

[Horizons '83]

I received the J&J vaccine last week. About 2 minutes after receiving it, I had a classic vasovagal syncope episode and fainted out cold for about 30 seconds on the floor of the CVS pharmacy I was at with my wife.

I have never had that kind of a reaction to any sort of needle in my life. I had no anxiety or stress going into it, and the shot itself was perfectly routine. I stood up, remarked that my arm felt pretty sore to my wife, and then had a wave of nausea rapidly come over me. I sat back down to put my head between my knees and apparently kept going, knocking my head on a chair and dividers on the way down. The pharmacist who gave me the shot had just been called away to attend to someone else in recovery that felt nauseous. The nurse that was also thereheard me fall and spung into action, called 911 and had her hand on my pulse within seconds. When I came too, I felt perfectly fine almost immediately, but stayed on the floor until EMTs came in a few minutes and checked my vitals. BP, EKG, O2 levels all perfectly fine. No signs of any allergic reaction. Lucky I didn’t knock my head too hard. They sat me up, gave me some water and got my history while observing me for about 15 minutes. After that I declined transport and my wife (who clearly was now not going to get her shot that day) drove us home. It was a very surreal experience.

Since then I haven’t had any other reactions, aside from the sore arm which took 3-4 days to complete fade away. I may have been a little more tired 2-3 days post vaccine.

I’ve since talked with my regular doctor about it and he was pretty sure it was just a vasovagal response and not explicitly linked to the J&J vaccine, although he did allow that he had been seeing patients with much stronger initial reactions to it then to the others. I’m not entirely sure what I believe about it, especially now with this story and prior ones about sites shutting down due to more immediate reactions.

After my experience, we decided to wait a few days before deciding which shot my wife would get. She originally wanted J&J because she hates needles and didn’t want two shots. Today she’s booked for a first dose of Moderna, and we’re feeling pretty good about that decision now.

I’m pretty sure I already added to some vaccine hesitancy with my reaction - you can imagine the effect a guy fainting and an ambulance rolling up has on a line of people waiting. I don’t exactly regret getting it, but I’m also encouraging people to consider the other options and have been (understandably) hesitant to recommend the J&J vaccine. I’m not sure what’s going on here, and hopefully there’s enough data now to fully figure it out - but I think this pause is a good idea.

I’ve been holding back from sharing my story because there’s every likelihood it’s not linked to J&J specifically and is indeed a anecdotal story, but it’s hard when everyone you know knew you were getting the shot and asked ‘how did it go?’ It’s hard when the nurse treating you on the scene was shaking her head and saying she had seen too many people with issues with just that shot. It’s hard when the lead EMT responding had first hand accounts of similar reactions at the nearby FEMA site that was giving thousands of shots a day. I feel, especially in light of the news stories, like mine is an anecdotal story but now that I am also a statistic. It’s a very odd feeling, and a very hard place to be in especially when still trying to be ‘pro vaccine’ to others that are on the fence.

I’m just glad I don’t have to get a second J&J, because if I was supposed to I doubt I would at this point.

Wow, crazy story. I'm glad everything worked out well in the end for both you and your wife

 

[mmascari]

Such anecdotes are like: I know someone who ate spaghetti and died!

I got the J&J vaccine yesterday. I'm not a young woman, and the odds are clearly in my favor here. I was all set to alternate between being fine and paranoid freak-outs for the next three weeks.

However, I had spaghetti for dinner last night then too. So, it's full on freak-out time now!

PS: My arm is still sore, little off overnight but gone now, didn't provide any direct WiFi access still need a computer to read WDWMagic. Clearly should have held out for Moderna.

 

[disneygeek90]

Will JNJ will resume vaccines after blood clot problem issue is fixed by end of month or early next month so we can still reach herd immunity soon?

Seeing as this just developed this morning, it's impossible for anyone to know.

Kinda wild that people are freaking out over a one in a million chance for blood clots and no one bats an eye at birth control having a one in a thousand risk of blood clots.

 

[DCBaker]

Statement from the White House Covid coordinator Jeff Zients.

 

[Jrb1979]

Will JNJ will resume vaccines after blood clot problem issue is fixed by end of month or early next month so we can still reach herd immunity soon?

With the way it's going and the fact many aren't getting it expect to wait to the end of the year for it to happen.

 

[Heppenheimer]

Seeing as this just developed this morning, it's impossible for anyone to know.

Kinda wild that people are freaking out over a one in a million chance for blood clots and no one bats an eye at birth control having a one in a thousand risk of blood clots.

As I wrote earlier, it wouldn't surprise me if the common risk factors in these cases end up being a combination of smoking and oral birth control medication.

 

[danlb_2000]

And when millions and millions of people eat spaghetti.... all types of crazy things will happen. 2 spaghetti eaters won the lottery! 13 spaghetti eats died. 39 spaghetti eaters lost their jobs but 36 spaghetti eaters got promoted at work.

So we shouldn't get ahead of ourselves and conclude that the blood clots were even caused by the JNJ vaccine.

Further, sadly, this gets us back to the desire for certainty when there is no such thing. Truly nothing is 100% without risk. People can die from a paper cut.
Colonoscopies are used to detect colon cancer early (or the colon cancer precursors) and thereby to prevent advanced cancer and save lives. But people also die as a result of having a colonoscopy -- complications from anesthesia, perforation during the colonoscopy, etc.

Medicine is ultimately about balancing of risks. The odds of becoming infected with Covid and dying from it are higher than the odds of getting a deadly blood clot from JNJ. More than 1 in a thousand Americans have already died from Covid, while so far, 1 in 7 million JNJ vaccine recipients have died from a blood clot.

People want certainty, but it doesn't exist in medicine. I work in medical malpractice. Most cases simply come down to risk assessment. A patient develops a rare but known complication, and then it becomes whether the rare but known complication should have been avoided or whether it was simply part of the assumed risk.

Especially when you consider that blood clots are a complication from COVID. So even if the vaccine was causing them, it could still statistically be reducing your overall change for getting a blood clot by preventing the COVID infection in the first place.

 

[havoc315]

Statement from the White House Covid coordinator Jeff Zients.


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If working just with Moderna and Pfizer, the US needs to deliver approximately another 200 million jabs to get to 60% of the population vaccinated. (about where Israel is now).
So at a pace of 3 million jabs per day -- Puts us 65-70 days away, potentially reaching that point in mid June. Though, we may slow down as we hit vaccine hesitancy and simply harder to reach populations. So without JNJ, optimistically, we could hit the 60% threshold by mid to late June.

 

[DCBaker]

 

[Gringrinngghost]

Will JNJ will resume vaccines after blood clot problem issue is fixed by end of month or early next month so we can still reach herd immunity soon?

Given that JNJ messed up 15 Million doses, all it’s going to do is be a speed bump and it will possibly slow it down, but it’s something that won’t have a detrimental impact. We also aren’t going to reach herd immunity anytime soon, especially as children aren’t going to be expected to even get vaccines until Fall.

We also have no idea how long it will take, and it’s up to the regulatory heads to determine how to go forth.

 

[Gringrinngghost]

And it will not have very little in swaying public opinion... I would be shocked if it pulled an Elvis.

 

[DCBaker]

 

[ABQ]

Trying to avoid being political, but every time I see a campaign like this that highlights "trusted voices" they never seem to be the voices trusted by those who are being highlighted as hesitant to take the vaccine. If they were, there would not be so much hesitancy already.

 

[Heppenheimer]

Especially when you consider that blood clots are a complication from COVID. So even if the vaccine was causing them, it could still statistically be reducing your overall change for getting a blood clot by preventing the COVID infection in the first place.

I've even seen a paper suggesting that one of the causes of long COVID ("PASC", as they're trying to name it) might be end-organ damage from a barrage of very small clots ("microthrombi").

 

[Gringrinngghost]

If working just with Moderna and Pfizer, the US needs to deliver approximately another 200 million jabs to get to 60% of the population vaccinated. (about where Israel is now).
So at a pace of 3 million jabs per day -- Puts us 65-70 days away, potentially reaching that point in mid June. Though, we may slow down as we hit vaccine hesitancy and simply harder to reach populations. So without JNJ, optimistically, we could hit the 60% threshold by mid to late June.

We have as of the time of this posting fully vaccinated 74,066,085 people. Another 120,848,490 have gotten their first dose as per the CDC. To give those 120M if they hit 3m per day on that group alone, 40 days. If we do a 50/50 split, 80 days. And we would still be short of the 60% mark by 4 million. 60% would be by 100 days.

 

[Gringrinngghost]

There you go, CDC just said its recommended to not administer. but if a care provider and an individual talk about it and agree that JNJ will benefit and not outweigh the risks they can administer it... so as always America comes in clutch with the half baked response. Can't wait for my Pfizer shot.

 

[Gringrinngghost]

JUST IN: Gov. Ron DeSantis said Tuesday the state will heed the federal government’s recommendation to pause the use of the Johnson & Johnson coronavirus vaccine, but he added any risk appeared minimal and urged Floridians to get the one-dose shot if and when it becomes available again.

DeSantis agrees to pause Johnson & Johnson vaccine in Florida but calls risk minimal

Gov. Ron DeSantis said Tuesday the state will heed the federal government’s recommendation to pause the use of the Johnson & Johnson coronavirus vaccine, but he added any risk appeared mi…

www.orlandosentinel.com

 

[havoc315]

We have as of the time of this posting fully vaccinated 74,066,085 people. Another 120,848,490 have gotten their first dose as per the CDC. To give those 120M if they hit 3m per day on that group alone, 40 days. If we do a 50/50 split, 80 days. And we would still be short of the 60% mark by 4 million. 60% would be by 100 days.

That's incorrect. The 120 million INCLUDES the 74 million fully vaccinated. We have 46 million waiting for their second jab.
(If we had 194 million who already had 1 jab, then we would likely already be at herd immunity!)