Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[GoofGoof]

They are actually doing clinics here at our high school for 16+ not sure we need to wait on J&J. Just saying we can use what we have.

Should be a push to get the seniors done so they can have graduations again this Spring.

 

[Polkadotdress]

Right now if you are in Texas...

8-year-old boy ‘accidentally’ vaccinated in Dallas

An eight-year-old boy in Dallas was vaccinated at a drive-thru site in what authorities there are calling an “oversight” and “human error.”

www.kxan.com

EEEESH! Exactly how tall was this child that no one thought he was "too young". And how "tuned out" was the medic that gave him the shot????

 

[bpiper]

From the article:

Amid heightened precautions for the virus at the major Florida tourist attraction, Sills, 47, skipped the temperature screening required of guests, authorities said. He was confronted by security about it at a Disney Springs restaurant, the Boathouse, when he yelled and refused to leave, according to an Orange County Sheriff’s Office arrest report from Feb. 13. When deputies insisted he would be charged with trespassing, he pointed to how much he spent on his vacation, according to body-camera footage released this week.

Body camera footage shows arrest after man refuses temperature check at Disney World

Baton Rouge resident Kelly Sills was arrested after he refused a temperature check at Disney World. Sills claimed he spent $15,000 on the trip. (Orange County Sheriff’s Office)
“I paid $15,000,” said Sills, handcuffed. “You can’t trespass me if I paid $15,000.”

He pleaded not guilty to a trespassing charge, according to Orange County court records.

In an interview Saturday with The Washington Post, Sills said he would have “happily” consented to a temperature screening but he had inadvertently walked in through an exit and not realized his error. He partly blamed the security manager for escalating the conflict — and compared Disney security to Nazis and the mafia — but also admitted he was in “a bit of a mood” after a day of travel.

He was arrested on the first night of what was a five-day trip with his family, a rare reprieve for which he had paid thousands, he said. Two hotel rooms, air travel and admission to Disney and Universal for seven to eight people set him back, he said.

“Covid is a very serious thing, but so is my vacation with my family,” he said.


Sills’s arrest, first reported by the Orlando Sentinel, is not the first instance guests have been reprimanded over defying coronavirus restrictions at a Disney park.

More details in the Orlando Weekly. I think the whole "went through the exit" story is made up. Trying to get off the hook. Also, he owns a construction firm that defaulted on several Louisiana state construction projects. He owes the State police over $900K for paid details they provided..... His insurance boding company had to take over the jobs and finish them.

So where did that $15K for the Disney trip come from????

Man arrested for refusing Disney Springs temperature check bragged about how much money he spent, claimed to be a stockholder

A Louisiana man was arrested after refusing to have his temperature taken at Disney Springs, loudly complaining about the amount he spent to attend the...

www.orlandoweekly.com

A Louisiana man was arrested after refusing to have his temperature taken at Disney Springs, loudly complaining about the amount he spent to attend the Happiest Place on Earth.

47-year-old Baton Rouge resident Kelly Sills allegedly walked past a temperature-checking tent in front of the Disney retail and restaurant area on February 13 and refused to return for a check when confronted by staff. After being asked to leave the premises by Orange County Sheriffs, Sills continued to question officers and was ultimately arrested in front of his family.

In video shared with Orlando Weekly by the Orange County Sheriff's Office, Sills can be seen arguing with deputies as he's escorted off the property.

"I spent $15,000 to come here," Sills said, pleading his case as we has being removed. "Do you know how much stock I own in Disney?"

"Believe me. It's saving me a lot of money, if ya'll kick me out," Sills continued.

Sills pleaded not guilty on misdemeanor trespassing charges in March.

Sills is no stranger to trouble in his home state. The owner of Coastal Bridge construction company allegedly owes Louisiana State police nearly $900,000, according to a report from Baton Rouge's WBRZ. Sills allegedly took money from the state department of transportation to pay a police detail charged with controlling traffic around a bridge construction project his company was working on. State police say that money never made it to them.

"A bunch of s*** happened, and I promise you that Coastal Bridge is not trying to keep money from State Police," a woman who worked in the company's office told reporters when asked about the missing money.

Sills said that the money is no longer his obligation. After defaulting on several projects, he claims the contract was taken over by Nationwide Mutual Insurance.

"As of January 13, 2020 Coastal Bridge assigned all rights under the LA 70 Bridge Project (H.012343) contract to Nationwide Mutual Insurance Company, which assumed all obligations under the contract, and as well received all rights to past, present and future contract receivables under the contract," he said in a statement.

Of course, bragging about how much money you spent in Disney while crying broke elsewhere isn't the best look.

 

[Tom P.]

I agree the end is near. I think vaccine passports will be part of it. Not for every day life. I do see it being required for air travel, cruises, sporting events and concerts.

If community spread is low enough, vaccine passports are irrelevant, regardless of the activity. I could understand them being used for international travel, such as flights and cruises, when you are interacting with areas that don't have it under control. But, to reiterate, I think our community spread in the United States will be low enough by summer that there won't be concerns about things like sporting events, concerts, or Walt Disney World.

 

[correcaminos]

Should be a push to get the seniors done so they can have graduations again this Spring.

They are doing one here. Moved outdoors is all. So they'll have something! Lots of support from the schools for those who took time off to get one too. Gives me hope for my 13yo. Though I've been hunting vaccines for others enough that I hope to be okay when it comes time to schedule. How I'd love a dose in before we travel just to feel a wee bit better.

 

[iowamomof4]

somewhat related: ideally, you could take the JnJ to college campuses right now and do this for college students. my opinion is obviously worth nothing but I would do that before an open registration.

This is happening in Iowa next week at 4 colleges. They plan to do more campuses when they get more J&J vaccines.

 

[sullyinMT]

I agree the end is near. I think vaccine passports will be part of it. Not for every day life. I do see it being required for air travel, cruises, sporting events and concerts.

International air (maybe domestic in other countries, but even the current US administration hasn’t expressed much appetite there) and cruises are really a no brainer at this point. Those expressing concern against them are kidding themselves with current CDC guidelines regarding the vaccinated. Even the new 2A cruise guidelines really push the lines and ports to find a way to vaccinate their employees/crew by any WHO approved vaccine. They stopped short of international air travel vaccine passports/test “skipping” in the short term, but I’d fully expect that once IATA adopts a standard, more time is vetted for effectiveness (recent data points to at least 6 months), and 12+ are added to the EUA, air travel restrictions will ease.

 

[Chi84]

Cruises don’t operate entirely within Florida, do they? How could they be subject to a Florida executive order?

 

[GoofGoof]

Cruises don’t operate entirely within Florida, do they? How could they be subject to a Florida executive order?

When at port in FL they have to follow US and FL laws. When in International waters they don’t have to. Royale Caribbean already announced plans to have some cruises leave from Bermuda or the Bahamas instead of US ports so it’s possible for them to shift to other terminals if it becomes an issue. It would be easy enough to alter the order to exempt cruise lines but that would sorta be admitting defeat. There are a lot of ancillary benefits to the local economy of having those terminals in use. People flying in, staying over night or a few nights before/after, Uber and taxi to/from airports, restaurants,etc

 

[Chi84]

When at port in FL they have to follow US and FL laws. When in International waters they don’t have to. Royale Caribbean already announced plans to have some cruises leave from Bermuda or the Bahamas instead of US ports so it’s possible for them to shift to other terminals if it becomes an issue. It would be easy enough to alter the order to exempt cruise lines but that would sorta be admitting defeat. There are a lot of ancillary benefits to the local economy of having those terminals in use. People flying in, staying over night or a few nights before/after, Uber and taxi to/from airports, restaurants,etc

I know nothing about cruises other than I no longer have any desire whatsoever to go on one.

 

[danlb_2000]

EEEESH! Exactly how tall was this child that no one thought he was "too young". And how "tuned out" was the medic that gave him the shot????

Not trying to defend the mistake, but this was a drive through vaccination site where the injections are given through the car windows, and since everyone who was there should have been pre-approve the vaccinator probably didn't even give it a second thought. The fact that the child was given approval was a screw up earlier in the registration system.

 

[JoeCamel]

I’m confused—are we talking about the reactions here? There is no dislike, is there? (Or maybe you’re referring to the anger emoji.)

Have to ask the OP that

 

[Polkadotdress]

Not trying to defend the mistake, but this was a drive through vaccination site where the injections are given through the car windows, and since everyone who was there should have been pre-approve the vaccinator probably didn't even give it a second thought. The fact that the child was given approval was a screw up earlier in the registration system.

But there’s NO WAY you can mistake an 8 yr old for an 18 yr old. Some 8 yr olds still even ride in car/booster seats!

 

[Starcrane]

I wish I shared your optimism but in theory it sounds great. I wish it could be that way. The simple fact there is many younger people who have no interest in the vaccine. I think we are a long way from this ending yet. I see fall the earliest. There is still a lot of push back to get the vaccine.


I don't see cases dropping that quickly. I'm amazed at how many keep dismissing the under 40 crowd driving the numbers now. I guess those over 40 don't care.

Not true. Over 40 professionals getting it like crazy. We want our life back!!

 

[pixie225]

But there’s NO WAY you can mistake an 8 yr old for an 18 yr old. Some 8 yr olds still even ride in car/booster seats!

I totally agree here. My daughter has always been petite - but to mistake a 18 year old for an 8 year old makes no sense. Even if the 8 year old had an underlying medical condition they would not be eligible for a vaccine unless they were 16. And why didn't the parents say anything? I highly doubt the 8 year old was in the car by themselves.

 

[HauntedMansionFLA]

But there’s NO WAY you can mistake an 8 yr old for an 18 yr old. Some 8 yr olds still even ride in car/booster seats!

I blame the parents or parent. You see parents tell cast members their clearly six year old will be two years old tomorrow because of the mask requirement.

 

[Think Tink]

I totally agree here. My daughter has always been petite - but to mistake a 18 year old for an 8 year old makes no sense. Even if the 8 year old had an underlying medical condition they would not be eligible for a vaccine unless they were 16. And why didn't the parents say anything? I highly doubt the 8 year old was in the car by themselves.

I believe the parent was the one who registered them. They claimed they didn’t know the child wasn’t allowed since their registration went through online. I feel like it was all over the news and internet that the shots are 18+ and Pfizer being 16+

 

[GimpYancIent]

I believe the parent was the one who registered them. They claimed they didn’t know the child wasn’t allowed since their registration went through online. I feel like it was all over the news and internet that the shots are 18+ and Pfizer being 16+

I thought the ultimate goal was for ALL people, regardless of age, to receive the vaccination? From the conversations thus far global vaccination for ALL is the eventual objective. I do not see it as a major issue that a young person slipped through a wait your turn crack. It is not news anymore that people have been jumping the line. I am sure the people administering the vaccinations are doing their best to enforce the "wait your turn" rules.

 

[drizgirl]

I thought the ultimate goal was for ALL people, regardless of age, to receive the vaccination? From the conversations thus far global vaccination for ALL is the eventual objective. I do not see it as a major issue that a young person slipped through a wait your turn crack. It is not news anymore that people have been jumping the line. I am sure the people administering the vaccinations are doing their best to enforce the "wait your turn" rules.

It's not a "fairness" issue. It's a safety issue. Are we assuming an 8 year old would require the same dose as an adult? It hasn't been reviewed or approved for 8 year olds.

And if the child had an adverse event? Who's legally at fault? Who sues who first?

 

[correcaminos]

I thought the ultimate goal was for ALL people, regardless of age, to receive the vaccination? From the conversations thus far global vaccination for ALL is the eventual objective. I do not see it as a major issue that a young person slipped through a wait your turn crack. It is not news anymore that people have been jumping the line. I am sure the people administering the vaccinations are doing their best to enforce the "wait your turn" rules.

Except an 8 year old will get a different dosage vs even a 12yo. They need to test for efficacy as well as safety. The kid is fine it seems, but what if he reacted poorly because the dosage was too high? I see it as a major issue in terms of safety and that parent really makes me wonder about them and if they do anything else that would be seen as dangerous. I don't believe for a second this was an accident.

This has zero to with jumping the line. It's one thing to take a large 12-15yo especially now since we have results. It's another to vaccinate a prepubescent kid