Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[Mark52479]

I'm going to guess late summer/fall is when we would start to see it. At that point, theres no excuse not to get a vaccine and it'll help them with the Holiday Crowds.

The fall and winter is pretty much completely sold right now.

I checked DVC avail this morning and all but Saratoga and OKW are completely booked OCT through Dec.

There is no need for them to require at this point. Not with so much being sold out already.

Fall is too early also because its going to take some time for everyone to get the vaccine plus with some cases of people who are getting Covid they have to wait 90 days before they can even get their first dose.

If at all (which i think Disney NEVER WILL require) 2022 is when it would happen.

EDIT:
This is also barring Disney not wanting to get into a political battle with the state of Florida. I dont hold up this new Executive order too high, that can be challenged. However if the state legislature passes a bill then nothing can be done. The would be the worst case.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

I have question I want to throw out there..........

Does Disney really need to require a vaccine passport with the way things are going right now and how crowded it already looks like it will be going forward?

So far NO outbreaks have been reported and they keep gradually increasing the capacity with no problems so far.

IMO I think they are going to keep going with increasing WITHOUT requiring any tests or vaccines. They will keep pushing and pushing and see what happens.

FYI: I have had my vaccine and I am for vaccines, this is just a question I want to throw out there......

Right now i think it’s in Disney’s interest to keep distancing and masks in place. It’s a great excuse to keep many shows down and fewer cm’s all over the park in food service especially.

 

[Lilofan]

Those cards are far too easy to forge to be meaningful proof of anything.

I read to enter the NY Yankees and Mets opening day game one needs to show proof of a negative covid test or proof of getting the vaccine ( ie CDC card ).

 

[GoofGoof]

I have question I want to throw out there..........

Does Disney really need to require a vaccine passport with the way things are going right now and how crowded it already looks like it will be going forward?

So far NO outbreaks have been reported and they keep gradually increasing the capacity with no problems so far.

IMO I think they are going to keep going with increasing WITHOUT requiring any tests or vaccines. They will keep pushing and pushing and see what happens.

FYI: I have had my vaccine and I am for vaccines, this is just a question I want to throw out there......

Disney doesn’t need vaccine passports. They are open today without them, but with certain Covid restrictions. For businesses that can’t open any other way (concert venues, cruise lines, etc) a vaccine passport may be the best way to get back in business. The whole idea of the vaccine passport for a place like WDW that is already open is to remove the other restrictions they have in place because they would be replaced by either proof of vaccination or a negative test. So if we know everyone in the parks is either negative by the use of a test or has been vaccinated (making them highly unlikely to get sick or spread the virus) then the other restrictions aren’t needed. The parks are open but not to the full extent they could be. So I agree with you it’s unlikely Disney will ever require a vaccine passport and very likely they continue to operate with some level of covid restrictions for the foreseeable future.

The pro-vaccine passport crowd are people who are vaccinated who would like to see the restrictions lifted sooner so would be in favor of requiring the passport. The people who are opposed for the most part don’t think Covid is a big deal and so they think the restrictions should be removed even without proof of vaccination. They mostly have felt this way from the beginning and should have learned by now to live with disappointments. Disney won’t just give up on safety unless cases and vaccination percentages combined dictate that it’s time. I say “most part“ because there are some people who are vaccinated or planning to get vaccinated and are still opposed to passports. I think we are in a holding pattern on WDW relaxing more covid restrictions. Hopefully sometime this Summer or Fall we get to the point where they can all be relaxed. A vaccine passport could potential speed things up, but I just don’t see Disney wanting the hassle. The Street has already accepted near zero profits from parks this fiscal year. I think they hold steady and ride it out until they can open without restrictions even without vaccine passports.

 

[DisneyCane]

Washington Post story from today about a guy who went to jail for refusing a temp check at Disney Springs:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/travel/2021/04/03/disney-world-kelly-sills-coronavirus/

I can't read the story and I'm not subscribing to the Washington Post to read it. What were the grounds for arrest? Trespassing?

I'm on Disney's side because it is private property and their rules to require the temperature check. Although, I'm not sure what is more useless in fighting COVID, temperature checks to enter an outdoor shopping mall or people who wear gloves but don't change them between interactions with people.

 

[GoofGoof]

This is my thinking too. They will go as long as they can without these requirements and see what happens.

I would be shocked if they require anything in 2021. It would be more like 2022 at the earliest

I refer to that as a plan B. If for some reason the vaccines fail to get us out of this pandemic by late Fall into Winter I think vaccine passports will gain steam nationally. If 50/60/70% of the population is vaccinated they are going to be unhappy having to continue restrictions. It is easy to see vaccine passports taking off then. Plan A is and always has been cases dropping enough now that you don’t need vaccine passports. Disney‘s next fiscal year starts 10/1/21. If they are still restricted by then I think there will be some serious thought given to it. Kids are also a factor for WDW and kids of all ages should be eligible by next Fall or Winier.

 

[oceanbreeze77]

It's also not a right to fly either.

exactly.

 

[oceanbreeze77]

You are right it's not a right to ho to Disney Parks or a sporting event. However, it is a Constitution right to travel between states.

Then drive in your own car

 

[DCBaker]

Numbers are out - there were 66 new reported deaths, along with 1 Non-Florida Resident death.

 

[DCBaker]

Current Florida vaccine report -

 

[DisneyDebRob]

I can't read the story and I'm not subscribing to the Washington Post to read it. What were the grounds for arrest? Trespassing?

I'm on Disney's side because it is private property and their rules to require the temperature check. Although, I'm not sure what is more useless in fighting COVID, temperature checks to enter an outdoor shopping mall or people who wear gloves but don't change them between interactions with people.

Here’s one not behind a paywall.

Man arrested for refusing Disney Springs temperature check bragged about how much money he spent, claimed to be a stockholder

A Louisiana man was arrested after refusing to have his temperature taken at Disney Springs, loudly complaining about the amount he spent to attend the...

www.google.com

 

[Jrb1979]

Here’s one not behind a paywall.

Man arrested for refusing Disney Springs temperature check bragged about how much money he spent, claimed to be a stockholder

A Louisiana man was arrested after refusing to have his temperature taken at Disney Springs, loudly complaining about the amount he spent to attend the...

www.google.com

This is the type of thing I was saying I find funny. The amount of people who get upset or complain about things that have been happening makes me laugh.

 

[Tom P.]

I refer to that as a plan B. If for some reason the vaccines fail to get us out of this pandemic by late Fall into Winter I think vaccine passports will gain steam nationally. If 50/60/70% of the population is vaccinated they are going to be unhappy having to continue restrictions. It is easy to see vaccine passports taking off then. Plan A is and always has been cases dropping enough now that you don’t need vaccine passports. Disney‘s next fiscal year starts 10/1/21. If they are still restricted by then I think there will be some serious thought given to it. Kids are also a factor for WDW and kids of all ages should be eligible by next Fall or Winier.

I still think we are overestimating the number of people we will need to get vaccinated to see case numbers under control and underestimating the role that natural immunity will play. I think if we see 50, 60, 70% of the population vaccinated, as you suggest, that case numbers will plummet and we will no longer need mitigation measures. I think the idea that we need to get to 85% or 90% vaccination in order to be out of the woods is being way too conservative. I still feel like that by the summer, we are pretty much going to be out of the woods on this thing.

 

[Jrb1979]

I still think we are overestimating the number of people we will need to get vaccinated to see case numbers under control and underestimating the role that natural immunity will play. I think if we see 50, 60, 70% of the population vaccinated, as you suggest, that case numbers will plummet and we will no longer need mitigation measures. I think the idea that we need to get to 85% or 90% vaccination in order to be out of the woods is being way too conservative. I still feel like that by the summer, we are pretty much going to be out of the woods on this thing.

That's where I think the vaccine passports come in.

 

[GoofGoof]

I still think we are overestimating the number of people we will need to get vaccinated to see case numbers under control and underestimating the role that natural immunity will play. I think if we see 50, 60, 70% of the population vaccinated, as you suggest, that case numbers will plummet and we will no longer need mitigation measures. I think the idea that we need to get to 85% or 90% vaccination in order to be out of the woods is being way too conservative. I still feel like that by the summer, we are pretty much going to be out of the woods on this thing.

Amen brother. I’m on the same boat. The number is also a percent needed to be immune, not necessarily vaccinated so some of this Spring Break surge may actually help us out . I think we will see a significant drop when we get north of 60% immune. I feel like we could be between 50 and 60% of the population vaccinated with at least 1 dose by the beginning of May and when you factor in the number of people unvaccinated but naturally immune you probably get another 10-15% added so north of 60% overall.

 

[mmascari]

I can't read the story and I'm not subscribing to the Washington Post to read it. What were the grounds for arrest? Trespassing?

I'm on Disney's side because it is private property and their rules to require the temperature check. Although, I'm not sure what is more useless in fighting COVID, temperature checks to enter an outdoor shopping mall or people who wear gloves but don't change them between interactions with people.

From the article:

Amid heightened precautions for the virus at the major Florida tourist attraction, Sills, 47, skipped the temperature screening required of guests, authorities said. He was confronted by security about it at a Disney Springs restaurant, the Boathouse, when he yelled and refused to leave, according to an Orange County Sheriff’s Office arrest report from Feb. 13. When deputies insisted he would be charged with trespassing, he pointed to how much he spent on his vacation, according to body-camera footage released this week.

Body camera footage shows arrest after man refuses temperature check at Disney World

Baton Rouge resident Kelly Sills was arrested after he refused a temperature check at Disney World. Sills claimed he spent $15,000 on the trip. (Orange County Sheriff’s Office)
“I paid $15,000,” said Sills, handcuffed. “You can’t trespass me if I paid $15,000.”

He pleaded not guilty to a trespassing charge, according to Orange County court records.

In an interview Saturday with The Washington Post, Sills said he would have “happily” consented to a temperature screening but he had inadvertently walked in through an exit and not realized his error. He partly blamed the security manager for escalating the conflict — and compared Disney security to Nazis and the mafia — but also admitted he was in “a bit of a mood” after a day of travel.

He was arrested on the first night of what was a five-day trip with his family, a rare reprieve for which he had paid thousands, he said. Two hotel rooms, air travel and admission to Disney and Universal for seven to eight people set him back, he said.

“Covid is a very serious thing, but so is my vacation with my family,” he said.


Sills’s arrest, first reported by the Orlando Sentinel, is not the first instance guests have been reprimanded over defying coronavirus restrictions at a Disney park.

 

[mmascari]

I read to enter the NY Yankees and Mets opening day game one needs to show proof of a negative covid test or proof of getting the vaccine ( ie CDC card ).

NY is using a system that checks a database to verify someone. The database record is created by the company validating what someone submits against the providers records. A robust check to create the record and a robust check at inspection. It’s not dependent on someone deciding if a physical card is legit.

This all depended on NY having the infrastructure in place when they administered doses to allow that validation check when creating the pass.

 

[Prince-1]

From the article:

Amid heightened precautions for the virus at the major Florida tourist attraction, Sills, 47, skipped the temperature screening required of guests, authorities said. He was confronted by security about it at a Disney Springs restaurant, the Boathouse, when he yelled and refused to leave, according to an Orange County Sheriff’s Office arrest report from Feb. 13. When deputies insisted he would be charged with trespassing, he pointed to how much he spent on his vacation, according to body-camera footage released this week.

Body camera footage shows arrest after man refuses temperature check at Disney World

Baton Rouge resident Kelly Sills was arrested after he refused a temperature check at Disney World. Sills claimed he spent $15,000 on the trip. (Orange County Sheriff’s Office)
“I paid $15,000,” said Sills, handcuffed. “You can’t trespass me if I paid $15,000.”

He pleaded not guilty to a trespassing charge, according to Orange County court records.

In an interview Saturday with The Washington Post, Sills said he would have “happily” consented to a temperature screening but he had inadvertently walked in through an exit and not realized his error. He partly blamed the security manager for escalating the conflict — and compared Disney security to Nazis and the mafia — but also admitted he was in “a bit of a mood” after a day of travel.

He was arrested on the first night of what was a five-day trip with his family, a rare reprieve for which he had paid thousands, he said. Two hotel rooms, air travel and admission to Disney and Universal for seven to eight people set him back, he said.

“Covid is a very serious thing, but so is my vacation with my family,” he said.


Sills’s arrest, first reported by the Orlando Sentinel, is not the first instance guests have been reprimanded over defying coronavirus restrictions at a Disney park.

Morons be morons.

 

[GoofGoof]

2 days in a row over 4M doses administered and the 7 day average climbed to 3.07M. If we get the average up closer to 4M a day that could mean 100-120M doses given in April. Some will be second doses, but that would be enough to get an additional 20-25% of the population started on their first dose. We are at 31% of the overall population started now so north of 50% and pushing 60% at least starting to be vaccinated by May 1. That’s a very doable target. Around May 1 we will also add in the rest of the teen population so another 20M+ eligible for vaccines. The end is near, we just need to get over the finish line.

 

[HauntedMansionFLA]

I can't read the story and I'm not subscribing to the Washington Post to read it. What were the grounds for arrest? Trespassing?

I'm on Disney's side because it is private property and their rules to require the temperature check. Although, I'm not sure what is more useless in fighting COVID, temperature checks to enter an outdoor shopping mall or people who wear gloves but don't change them between interactions with people.

The crazies wearing the rubber gloves everywhere are the dangerous ones. The cross contamination that they do is far more dangerous than not wearing. Cough in the hand, go to the bathroom without changing the gloves and then going out to a grocery store to touch everything in site. And they think they are keeping everyone safe!!!